Yeh, much like the Zebra, I suppose. I own some Zebra stuff and this isn't that brand - I think actually thinner/lighter (therefore cheaper!). I like all of it. Sorry - I didn't know about the group buy. I don't feel like a Pioneer now! I've used it with my little homemade alcohol stoves and it works great for one-person backpack meals too. I'm really keen on carrying something that can boil water - mainly. And is "flattish". This things perfect.