I picked up the same kits summer before last when they had them on sale for like 12 bucks for three. That's where my trangias came from, and the pot set makes a pretty good dutch oven (but I wouldn't try it with aluminum), but the weight is something else. Just a simple matter of moving some of the holes of the basic design I learned as a kid, and these worked just fine. I first used them with "buddy burners", the old school wax and corrogated cardboard in a can heaters, and small sterno cans.