Well put, Ironraven.

I would not be shocked if boacrow does what he says, but I fall on your side of the philosophical, ethical, and practical divides...

(I grew up camping in the Adirondacks, and now camp extensively throughout California, especially in Winter; I can and have built natural shelters including lean-tos, snow caves, quinzees; I can start a fire all kinds of ways; but I have to say I like camping in bivy sacks and tents (which keep me comfy and dry with proper siting and technique), and leaving no trace...)