Woodsloafer- When we are snow 4wheeling we each have a snow shovel, and I like to have 2 shovels this way my passanger can help! <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Normal summer trips we don't carry any speciality shovel... so this would be my only shovel, and sometimes others bring the same or similiar styled shovel. (For putting out a fire is the only use I've used it for in summer) That's why I hav eit on the pack, to have it all times <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />