Robb, "survival illiterate"? The day I have the hubris to call myself literate old Mother Nature is going to backhand me. Anyone who becomes cognisant of being prepared is literate. The first book of matches and SAK in the pocket 24/7 is a kit. Perhaps not all the whistles and bells we would like, but light years ahead of the herd. Barry is indeed a valued resource and friend to this forum. The "pros" would be cobbling together pop bottle and old boot sock water filters without Barry and his peers. Looking at my socks, Id rather drink downstream from a drowned steer that is slipping it's hide :O(