Both are great old friends, if slightly optimistic. I have Warday right next to them (well researched, honest, but the odds of it be a limited exchange went to zero before I was born), along with Brin's Postman (lacking research in a few places, but the principles are good; don't judge it by the movie).
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-IronRaven

When a man dare not speak without malice for fear of giving insult, that is when truth starts to die. Truth is the truest freedom.