Cybe,<br><br>You're only colloquially old, as in old buddy :-)<br><br>It sounds like we'll have a lot of options. I've also heard good reports on Baikal's combination rifle & shotgun, which I find appealing. They make very sturdy, well designed, and as you imply probably nearly indestructible guns. Their Makarov is certainly a very well made pistol which is also a great bargain.<br><br>Thanks for the ideas Cybe.<br><br>John