Ah. went there via John's method.... i am not all that swift at puters...... i see 2 different knives, and the "back hand" method pic has a knife with a handle much like a "Crooked Knife" but the blade is straight.<br><br>I have not yet tried the "Babble Fish" but the page seems to be about controlling the blade for certain things.... I am familar with cutting towards myself, and usually there is a pretty good amount of controll..... Sort of like pulling a wrench rather than pushing it.... Thanks for puttin up with me.... I'll be the first to tell ya when I get up to speed with these puters too!<br> ;-) MAc