Ah the perjorative and misunderstood word 'primative' again. A black, rotary phone that weighs 5 lbs and reads made in the USA by MA BELL is primative vs a Cellphone that alerts you to an incoming message with Scooby Doo theme songs. Drop both from a 3 story building <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> or find a 'primative' person who would go to sleep wet and cold on that island <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />