Tom, Some of the threads probably should be moved, some good in both and sometimes It's like doing my English minor thesis on W.B.Yeats the night before it was due ( aced it too, Gaelic lit is like the language, the more utterly unintelligable it is the more people step back and go "ahhhh" ) I'm leaving the thread in situ. Chris <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> I think, maybe <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />