A few years ago I half woke up to a loud THUMP from the apartment above me. Two days later the paramedics manhandled my very much deceased 300 lb nieghbor out the narrow door and down two flights of stairs. The newspaper mentioned he was an avid, daily swimmer- said swimming consisting of walking in the shallow end with a 6 pack and bag of fritos. His heart attack was a 'complete suprise.' Experience in doing things wrong is useless. Some people who survive their own inappropriate experience do get religon. Others just get carried down the stairwell <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />