There is always another method to do something. I think this method can be listed with firemaking with an ice lens. It works, but why bother if you walked out the door with duct tape holding your grey cells in place? The perjorative term "3rd World" is equally unrealistic. I can go to some of our indian reservations, appalachia, and freeway underpasses in Los Angeles where Americans live in abject despair. I only live in one world, and it doesn't come with numbers. <img src="/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />