Heh. See, he ALREADY has a minimag... I agree with you about LED over incandescant for everything but throw - there are a couple of hotshot LS V's that can reach out there, but generally throw still belongs to incandescant - my solution is MORE FLASHLIGHTS! The A2 does both pretty well.

Borrowed from Doug P's site and rounded to nearest whole numbers:

Model / Relative Throw / Relative Total Output

Surefire 10x Dominator Hi / 146 / 525
Mag 4 D / 99 / 38
Mag 3 D / 79 / 23
Pelican M6 Incandescent (old style) / 79 / 57
Surefire M3 Millenium Combat Light / 79 / 100
Surefire G2 (P60 lamp) / 59 / 52
Surefire M2 (P61 lamp) / 59 / 70
Surefire A2 Incand. Lamp / 45 / 58 / LEDs / 6 / 5
Pelican M6 LED / 38 / 21
Surefire L5 / 37 / 60
Surefire E2 / 36 / 40
Eveready 99 cent 2 D / 30 / 10
MiniMag / 30 / 6
Nuwai Q3 / 28 / 19
Surefire L4 / 23 / 58
MiniStar2 / 19 / 15
Mag Solitaire / 10 / 1
Opalec NewBeam / 6 / 4
ARC AAA-P / 5 / 2

Comments: M6 new style does not have quite as much throw, but as much or more output - the 3-D can slightly out-throw it now, but for sure the M6 has a lot more total output. As for my Minimag opinion - check the Minimag VS MinStar2 numbers - 2/3 as much throw, but 2 1/2 times the total output and a lot longer runtime... and runtimes can matter to me - the ARC AAA-P actually beats the snot out of a Solitare for throw after 20-30 minutes runtime - using the Solitare weakened battery.

Wish Doug would put these numbers up for the EverLED conversions...

If they were finished with HA-III and came standard with LEDs, we would not be bad-mouthing Mag *quite* as much... and I haven't purchased a Maglight for, oh, two or three years - maybe more. They ARE pretty durable, and for the cost... a lot of performance. OTOH, bulbs break - brother, do I know that!

I've "graduated" away from Mags for personal use, but it made a lot of sense to convert the ones I already owned. I need a couple more EverLEDs...

Guns, knives, torches - will the madness never end... <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

FWIW, I think you own some awesome torches.

Tom