That's actually a point well taken. I was one of those pro-mini-led people on the "other" thread and after initially reading this post I couldn't help but look at my trusty photon and my trustier (not really a word...I know) ArcAAA-P and think about how neither would would really illuminate someone up on a 25' ladder all too well. Of course they would give me enough light to atleast get myself out of the way of a falling 25' ladder with a 200# theatre student on it. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />