paul810 : the problem of " trying to get them lit" is a problem i have never delt with...if i look at the trioxane bar crosseyed it will catch fire. <img src="images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />.i have also used basic flint and steel to spark it , and it lights right now no problem ...but i will admit , once air gets to the tablet it starts to decay and will turn to powder...it takes weeks to do it but it will decay/powder...vince g.