I am someone who has been issued and used(and cursed at)an ALICE pack.If i can recall it wasn't 17 pounds empty an was a lot easier to use.How is it that whenever the military "improves" some thing it only gets heavier and harder to use.The ALICE was not comfortable to wear but did the job well.I can see that a lot of field grade improvements using the miracle trio(duct tape,zip ties and 550)done to this.That will only add more to it's weight.Some ultra light campers base load is thirty five pounds.This pack is half that with nothing in it.Military intelligence-SHEEEESH!

BOATMAN
John