Spuds.. the #1 reason I don't get good gas mileage...with the Swiss Ranger stove and a can of sterno, but without any water the pack is very manageable, but I still don't plan on a walkout.. it's a convenient way to organize and store articles and still gives me some options ... I forgot I used the real crate for my 3 gun cart, and substituted one of my Staples crates from school.. orange box is FAK that stays in car.. I have a separate trauma bag for the range