Originally Posted By: spuds
We were robbery/kidnap victims,you know where that leads,murder victims. We got out ONLY because the younger of the 2 balked when he smartened up almost instantly and realized he wasnt cut out for that.The old guy was perfectly willing to take it to the extreme.


I'm rather perplexed, because you seem to change the situation you want to prepare for, and it seems you change the situation to argue against the advice people are trying to give you, just so that you can carry the stick like you wanted. Robber/potential murderer is not "guy with an attitude."

We can be more helpful to you if you spell out exactly what you're preparing for, and then stick to it. For the situation you describe, I'd recommend the most powerful weapon you can legally carry, and then get a lot of regular training with it, so you can actually respond to extreme force with extreme force. Arm your vehicles. With this level of threat, you're not talking about scaring them off anymore.

If you just want to have a fancy stick or maybe a "death-dealing" stick, there are probably forums where people know the products better.