I just received the Chicobag. It packs down to half the size of the L L Bean, about twice the size of the Kiva. It has nice features like side water bottle pockets and a place to attach items to the bottom. It comes with 2 small biners for attaching to other things, and a sternum strap. It cost $28.00, more than the Kiva and about the same as the L L Bean. I like it.