Pete, thanks for the offer. I will probably get one full size and 2 or 3 compact and let the boys try to tear them up. With that many the shipping doesn't increase. But I do thank you.

Art, that is good information. I do have several cheap ones that I will compare the new ones to. If they all hold up, I can equip more boys.

Thanks to all for the information. That is how the internet can actually increase knowledge and make the whole worth more than the sum of its parts.