Before this thread goes down the guns politics/arguments path and to a possible lock by the MOD's. I like to make a comment on your comment. I (and probably like most other here) come here not because we have a "healthy sense of paranoia" rather we want to be equipped to survive...which is a world of difference. And if you think that most here are paranoid, I take it you have not had the pleasure of reading any of the "survivalist" forums which this forum should never be mistaken for...