Honda was supposed to have a new V6 diesel in the Pilot and Odyssey this year which would have made them pretty perfect. Oh well, another diesel letdown. Been looking at the 2009 Forester myself. Everything looks good except the 4speed auto but it still gets very respectable mileage (20/26) so its not that big a deal. Of course, there's a six speed Forester diesel for sale in Europe that's supposed to be here in 2010 but I ain't holdin my breath.