I managed to gain some great experience from a couple smash bang's as a young driver... my dad's car, my gram's car... just was looking for ideas to help my son avoid the same typical teen driver learning curve. I'll have him out in storms this winter, and will get him into some open lots with ice/snow.

"Good judgement comes from experience, which often comes from bad judgement" (I've heard quote that attributed to various folks over the years, but, whoever said it knew a thing or two!)