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#286474 - 09/26/17 05:22 AM Re: Nuclear Targets-What are they? [Re: dougwalkabout]
Phaedrus Offline
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Originally Posted By: dougwalkabout

But it's not NK that is an immediate threat to the Western world broadly, and I'm rather puzzled at the amount of click-bait ink being expended. I guess it's an easy story, and any speculation gets play.



I suppose the difference nowadays is that our leader frequently seems as unhinged as theirs. That at least gives the media an angle to push as they crank up the FUD that drives the 24 hour news cycle. There has to be a crisis to sell advertising, etc.

Still I don't think we're going to get into a nuclear shooting war with DPRK...but we will see.
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#286475 - 09/26/17 11:06 AM Re: Nuclear Targets-What are they? [Re: hikermor]
adam2 Offline
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Registered: 05/23/08
Posts: 388
Loc: Somerset UK
Originally Posted By: hikermor
Given the destructive power available, would anyone "win"? The novel "On the Beach" might come true....(movie as well....)


IMHO, there would be no winners from an all out nuclear war, such as was feared in the past.
However I do not foresee a large scale nuclear war with NK. More likely is that the dear leader will launch a single weapon or at the very worst a handful of weapons against the USA or allies. Shortly afterwards I expect that NK will be attacked with devastating force and will effectively cease to exist.
In such a case one could reasonably state that NK had lost and that the USA had won.

An attack on the USA with even a single nuclear weapon could kill millions, or put in more optimistic terms, tens of millions would survive.
The disruption to utility services, government, and food or fuel supply could well be national, hence the need for preparations.
If you are too close to the bomb, then there is almost no hope of survival, but for millions a bit further away, survival might depend on what preps they had made.

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#286476 - 09/26/17 12:36 PM Re: Nuclear Targets-What are they? [Re: wildman800]
Ian Offline
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Registered: 05/15/07
Posts: 171
Loc: Scotland
Has anyone considered their approach to unexploded nuclear weapons?

I was told sometime ago that because of the extreme environment that warheads are exposed to that some third of them are expected not to explode and probably would remain intact on impact.

At a conference I asked a bomb disposal officer for New York how they would deal with them, his reply, "we have been told to kick them and if they don't go off cart them away"

I suppose if reentry and/or impact does not set off a warhead it may be presumed safe.

Just how robust are the triggers?

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#286478 - 09/26/17 01:57 PM Re: Nuclear Targets-What are they? [Re: Ian]
Pete Offline
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Registered: 02/20/09
Posts: 1308
"At a conference I asked a bomb disposal officer for New York how they would deal with them, his reply, "we have been told to kick them and if they don't go off cart them away"

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Remind me not to apply for that job :-)

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#286479 - 09/26/17 02:09 PM Re: Nuclear Targets-What are they? [Re: wildman800]
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Registered: 10/14/08
Posts: 1123
Loc: North Carolina
There have been a few aircraft accidents and other incidents where nuclear bombs have been involved, none detonated. To go critical, a nuclear warhead must be initiated in a very specific and precise manner.

With the velocity of a missile coming down, especially one that could reach the US from Korea, I doubt anything would survive the impact intact even if it did not detonate.

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#286480 - 09/26/17 02:16 PM Re: Nuclear Targets-What are they? [Re: adam2]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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Registered: 11/13/06
Posts: 1575
Loc: Ocala, FL
Originally Posted By: adam2
The disruption to utility services, government, and food or fuel supply could well be national, hence the need for preparations.

It is for this reason I made a checklist.

Jeanette Isabelle
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#286488 - 09/26/17 08:41 PM Re: Nuclear Targets-What are they? [Re: Montanero]
Teslinhiker Offline
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Registered: 12/14/09
Posts: 1311
Originally Posted By: Montanero
There have been a few aircraft accidents and other incidents where nuclear bombs have been involved, none detonated. To go critical, a nuclear warhead must be initiated in a very specific and precise manner.

Commonly known as a Broken Arrow.

The 1961 Goldsboro, North Carolina incident and 1950 British Columbia incident are 2 of the most well known. The 1950 incident here in my home province has provoked many theories over the years as to what exactly happened as opposed to the official sequence of events.

There are some YT videos that document many such incidents over the decades such as this one on the 1950 incident:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piDEE80nfgo

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