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#98136 - 06/22/07 04:30 AM I have to say....
DeathtoToasters Offline
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I am SOOOOO glad I found this forum. I have been preparing and getting my family ready for emergencies for about a year.

Then I start seeing Jericho (of course) and I am telling my wife to watch it. Then I realize how much I am not prepared.

Well anyway I have been doing research, taking notes, creating a manual for home, etc.

Anyways. For a while I was wondering if I was going crazy or just getting paranoid about stuff. I mean these issues are NEVER talked about anywhere.

It is very scarey to think about. It is really funny, but I hope I never have to use any of this stuff, but if we do I will feel better knowing I at least did something for my family!

I look forward to learning and contributing to the forum!

DeathtoToasters
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#98137 - 06/22/07 05:18 AM Re: I have to say.... [Re: DeathtoToasters]
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Welcome!
I don't know if you're going crazy, or we all are on this forum. Ever since I found this forum in November I've been like you, preparing and wondering why there isn't more awareness. But, at least I'm prepared (and my girlfriend a bit as well). I think you've got the right idea: do something good for the family! If you need it, great, if not, you've got some crummy food for a few days smile

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#98148 - 06/22/07 07:25 AM Re: I have to say.... [Re: DeathtoToasters]
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Welcome and enjoy! crazy
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#98153 - 06/22/07 11:32 AM Re: I have to say.... [Re: DeathtoToasters]
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This isn't a survivalist site. It's a survival site. So it's aimed at surviving a plane crash or being lost say, not suriving a nuclear war.
Jericho is a cracking series (and why did they have Hawkins daughter kill that really gorgeous girl I want to know!).
But a realistic series it aint.

Nor is a lot of the advice on this forum.

The best thing about Jericho is that it deals with ordinary people reacting as they most likely would. The 'every man for himself' situation some people seem to expect wouldn't happen. People will react as, well; people. Treating a few days power cut like you are among starving end of the world survivors is going to get you into trouble.
But then again everyone might not be as saintly as the population of Jericho usually are.
Sift the views and decide for yourself.....
Simon

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#98183 - 06/22/07 05:27 PM Re: I have to say.... [Re: DeathtoToasters]
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Welcome to the fire, love your name!

Have you made a potential threat list for your area? Is it prone to high crime, hurricanes, wild fires, etc? We have members in every threat zone and should be able to give you useful tips.

-Blast (experience in wilderness survival, hurricanes, flooding, world travel, and that "OH, S**T!"-moment when the fuse burns quicker than expected...)
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#98186 - 06/22/07 05:58 PM Re: I have to say.... [Re: Blast]
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Ok, let me describe what I came here looking for. It seems that everyone who has chimed in has been seeing people cominghere wondering what to do once the earth falls off it's axis and becomes the 2nd or 4th planet in the solar system.

Well I am always of the belief that "Only the Paranoid Survive" (great business book by Andrew Grove, one of the founders of Intel)

I lived in New York (20 miles from NYC) for 20 years, then Southern California for many years, then moved up to rural Utah for another 10, then back to the Palm Springs are of Southern California.

I lived through the 7 quake in the early 90's and it scared the crap out of me. Of course there were TONS of small ones in SC. There is not much to keep worring about there. If I do't want small quakes, I need to move smile

Well when I moved the Utah after I got married, the worries of earthquakes left my mind...until I learned that I lived 5 miles from the Wasatch Mountains...an active fault!!
The worries returned, not just for me, now I have a wife.

I am not a stranger to being prepared, at least with food storage. I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (a Mormon) so I have known that having a year of food storage is a good thing.

Now let me clarify something. I am a religious man, and so is all of my family, but I am also of the VERY true belief that the best set of helping hands God can give me are attached to the ends of my two wrists.

If God wants to save me from something, he will, but I cannot see him saying,

"Hey you were really stuck and you didn't do anything, or prepare at all, so here I am to help you!"

I think it is more like:

"Hey you did everything you could, and even more. You prepared, persevered, you failed a bit, and succeeded a bit,but you kept on trying. Now I will help you, when you have nothing left in you!"


So that is the last time I will mention religion, but I wanted to make that clear.

Anyway, so my concerns right now are earthquake situations.

We just bought a new house in the Cochella Valley. Two story. So I have obvious concerns about the second floor coming down on top of us. I don't know what I can reasonably do about that concern right now though. My evacuation plan for our home consists of utilizing the large entry way where the is a 25 foot ceiling, so there is not second floor about that area, just the roof.

My brother in law is in construction in the desert area for the past 25 years, and he says that they build them up to much better specs then they use to. He believes that we should be able to live through a 8 without any really big damage to the home, but who knows.

About my concerns that I mentioned in the realm of Jericho.

Do I think it could happen, YES. Do I think certain people in the US Government are going to be behind it, who the heck knows.

Do I think terrorists are actively planning on hurting all of us, YES.

With a nuclear or chemical weapon, YES.

That is their goal, to destroy America, and Americans.

I am not going to get into politics, but I think it is pretty obvious that is their goal.

Anyway. I am equally concerned about natural disasters as I am terrorists.

So I just figure I will prepare as best I can or both.

I have looked into getting land somewhere and digging a big hole and building a large self contained shelter. I actually still have plans for that. It just has to all come in time.
The bank has not approved my 10 million dollar loan yet smile

I think in another thread I will post my current inventory and thoughts on what else I need, and get advise from there.

BTW there are now 3 1/2 children added to the family (she is 4 months pregnant) so the paranoia jumped 1 million fold!

But I am also a realest.....I have to admit spending $3000 on food storage is VERY HARD when I see that my 55 inch Plasma TV just went on sale for $3195 at Best Buy! smile

So that is where I am coming from...just wanted to make that clear smile
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"Only the Paranoid Survive" - Andy Grove

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#98188 - 06/22/07 06:08 PM Re: I have to say.... [Re: DeathtoToasters]
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Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 07/15/02
Posts: 3760
Loc: TX
Thanks for the introduction! You'll find a number of LDS members here and your attitude about the best helping hands are found on your wrists is very true.

Earthquakes and big booms, yes those are worth considering and it sounds like you are making a good start. One thing I'll throw to you is remember to include your entire family in the planning. Make sure they now where things are, how to operate them and also make sure they CAN operate them. For instance, my DW (dear wife) couldn't pull-start a generator or move a five-gallon container of water even if it'd win her a $10,000 shopping spree... We had to make allowences and modify plans to take that into account.

Oh, and congratulations on the soon to be new child! We are big into kids here.

-Blast
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#98195 - 06/22/07 06:59 PM Re: I have to say.... [Re: Blast]
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 147
Loc: Southern California
Originally Posted By: Blast
Thanks for the introduction! You'll find a number of LDS members here and your attitude about the best helping hands are found on your wrists is very true.

Earthquakes and big booms, yes those are worth considering and it sounds like you are making a good start. One thing I'll throw to you is remember to include your entire family in the planning. Make sure they now where things are, how to operate them and also make sure they CAN operate them. For instance, my DW (dear wife) couldn't pull-start a generator or move a five-gallon container of water even if it'd win her a $10,000 shopping spree... We had to make allowences and modify plans to take that into account.

Oh, and congratulations on the soon to be new child! We are big into kids here.

-Blast


Well a least people know what LDS means here smile Other forums just start asking me how I am going to feed more then one wife smile

Anyway. Thanks for the advice. When it comes to food, I plan on 1800-2000 calories per adult and about 1400-1500 calories per child. Also going through the appropriate protein, sugar, and fat contents.

The very hard thing these days is trying to find food storage that is not 20% filler and TONS of Sodium!!!

Any advice on that?

Good idea on the adapting of the functions to the wife. I had thought of it, but have not changed anything yet. I plan on it though.

The forth kid was not planned, but who am I to say no.. smile lol. At least the food for the first few months will come from the wife, and not the wallet :P

Any advice on food storage suppliers that don't specialize in Sodium?

Thanks
DTT

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"Death to Toasters"-John Connor

"All Hail the Power of Bauer"

"Only the Paranoid Survive" - Andy Grove

"Why is it called the American Dream? Because you have to be ASLEEP to believe it!" - George Carlin

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#98199 - 06/22/07 07:57 PM Re: I have to say.... [Re: NightHiker]
Blast Offline
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Loc: TX
Quote:
If you have young kids, getting them to eat "Curds with Whey, Vegetarian, Shelf-Stable, Fortified, 1 ea" in an emergency may pose more of a problem than anticipated.

Don't forget how a major change in diet can lead to all sorts of stomach issues. To much/to little er, poop, can make a bad situation worse. blush

As Nighthiker said, one of the mantras of this site is "Store what you eat, eat what you store". That's a mighty good way of having food on hand.

-Blast
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#98204 - 06/22/07 08:58 PM Re: I have to say.... [Re: NightHiker]
DeathtoToasters Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 147
Loc: Southern California
Originally Posted By: NightHiker
Originally Posted By: DeathtoToasters

Any advice on food storage suppliers that don't specialize in Sodium?


Here's my 2¢:

My personal feeling is that instead of amassing a pile of "survival rations" that it's more practical to just increase the amount of food you normally have on hand and rotate it through your normal usage. Instead of keeping a 1 week supply of the food you normally eat in the house, keep a 2 week supply of the stuff that doesn't require refrigeration/freezing.

If you have young kids, getting them to eat "Curds with Whey, Vegetarian, Shelf-Stable, Fortified, 1 ea" in an emergency may pose more of a problem than anticipated. Economically it's a bit more feasible as well, every time you go grocery shopping you can pick up extra items (2 bags of flour instead of one, 8 cans of soup vs. 4, etc), especially if they happen to be on sale.

On the other hand, if you anticipate a bug out situation or difficulty retrieving your supplies from the rubble that once was your home, a few days worth of pre-packaged meals in an easy to access location (garage, tool shed, etc) isn't a bad idea. I do a lot of camping & backpacking so I keep enough freeze-dried meals to feed the family (DW+3 kids) for at least 2 days with my immediate evac kit, but a bug out situation is pretty far down on my threat list.

Basically, I'd recommend developing a list of potential threats and how you plan on dealing with them and then figure out what's the best route for you.


I totally agree with you. That is part of the situation I am running into. I am trying to find food storage supplies that are normal food we are used to.

Lasagnas, Pasta dishes, chicken, good chunky soups, muffin mixes, etc.

Not the regular MRE's. Although I have some of them. We don't have the canning abilities we had up in Utah. So it is much harder to figure out.

Any suggestions?
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