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#90947 - 04/12/07 05:49 PM my sore muscles... ointment or painkiller?
picard120 Offline
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ohhhh, man. My muscles are sore from spring biking trip for 10km. Is there any ointment that I can rub on to speed up break down of lactic acid at the muscles?

Should I take aspirin in conjunction with ointment?

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#90951 - 04/12/07 06:02 PM Re: my sore muscles... ointment or painkiller? [Re: picard120]
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I don't know enough about pharmecuticals to comment on what will break down lactic acid. The only way I know of is gentle stretching and light excercise to get the blood flowing to those sore muscles. As far as pain, Aleve works wonders for me after a hard weekend.

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#90955 - 04/12/07 06:35 PM Re: my sore muscles... ointment or painkiller? [Re: picard120]
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I don't really believe the hype about IcyHot or anything like that. It's probably just a topical anasthetic without a lot of use. I don't think there's a lot to do to "speed up" break down of lactic acid- which I would think needs to be broken down by the liver or kidneys!

I'd personally avoid aspirin or ibuprofen. Both work to decrease inflammation. That means that you won't get as much blood flow to the "sore" (that is, injured) muscles. So, it may feel better, but healing will take longer. Stick with one of the NSAID drugs that has less inflammatory properties: Aleve or Tylenol.

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#90962 - 04/12/07 06:54 PM Re: my sore muscles... ointment or painkiller? [Re: DesertFox]
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Soak in a hot bathtub...works for me.
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#90964 - 04/12/07 06:55 PM Re: my sore muscles... ointment or painkiller? [Re: DesertFox]
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Excellent info here:
http://ph.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070324003735AAvqxpv&show=7

Personally I've heard that taking a pill of aspirin breaks up the lactic acid. My experience is that it helps. However I also hear it prevents muscle growth so I stopped taking it after workouts and just got better at stretching beforehand smile
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#90966 - 04/12/07 07:13 PM Re: my sore muscles... ointment or painkiller? [Re: garland]
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The best way to relieve the aching muscles is to get back on the Bicycle and do another 5 km the next day.

When Eddy Merckx was asked the same question after winning the Paris-Roubaix, which is a 260 km race, he replied the only way to relieve aching muscles was to do a 120 km cycle ride the next day.

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#90970 - 04/12/07 07:21 PM Re: my sore muscles... ointment or painkiller? [Re: picard120]
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I think with all your little (and not so little) aches and pains that you are c you really need to seek face-to-face consultation with a general practitioner and move up from there as he or she may advise.

Or you have a bit of hypochondria.
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#90974 - 04/12/07 08:08 PM Re: my sore muscles... ointment or painkiller? [Re: ironraven]
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Or try your local accupuncture practioner! I've had problems with my right shoulder for the last six months and just started treatements last friday. I just finished my third treatment and am almost pain free! To quote the Monkeys "I'm a believer"! laugh
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#90976 - 04/12/07 08:35 PM Re: my sore muscles... ointment or painkiller? [Re: NightHiker]
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Originally Posted By: NightHiker
As for ointments, I like Tiger Balm (if you don't mind the aroma)
I have been using it for so long I have begun to like the smell
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#90983 - 04/12/07 09:34 PM Re: my sore muscles... ointment or painkiller? [Re: raydarkhorse]
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the soreness you're feeling is the micro-tears of the muscle fibers. When you rest the tears start to rebuild and that's what adds muscle developement. But if there is no movement you lose mobility so the answer to your question could be "active rest". Someone else referenced to it all ready. Get back out there and 'walk it off' so to speak.

Icy Hot and such is just topical(sensation only). A nice rub down and real heat (hot packs, heating pad, etc...) would also relieve some of the pain symptoms.

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#90986 - 04/12/07 09:57 PM Re: my sore muscles... ointment or painkiller? [Re: TK_Miller]
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I think lemons and limes are good for these sorts of problems... often I will use some other fluid to help with the ingestion of the juice, maybe something that's distilled from another plant, 100% Blue Agave perhaps... cooling the liquid with frozen cubes of natural spring water is preferred by some, but isn't necessary.
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#91025 - 04/13/07 01:21 PM Re: my sore muscles... ointment or painkiller? [Re: raydarkhorse]
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I love the smell of Flexall in the morning...It smells like, middle age...

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#91030 - 04/13/07 02:28 PM Re: my sore muscles... ointment or painkiller? [Re: Be_Prepared]
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I have researched this method of pain relief at great length. Very effective. Only side effects are headache and dry mouth. Possibly some memory loss.

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#91038 - 04/13/07 03:39 PM Re: my sore muscles... ointment or painkiller? [Re: DesertFox]
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Originally Posted By: DesertFox
I have researched this method of pain relief at great length. Very effective. Only side effects are headache and dry mouth. Possibly some memory loss.


Yes, there is a potential downside, that is true. I haven't experienced the memory loss, unless when using a "related" product, I ate the worm... but that would have been during my young and foolish days anyway wink
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#91060 - 04/13/07 07:08 PM Re: my sore muscles... ointment or painkiller? [Re: Be_Prepared]
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You left out stretching and moving around for sore muscles. Also soaking in a hot tub. Getting a massage. Do something fun to distract yourself.

I personally do not like to take pain killers.
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#91098 - 04/14/07 06:08 AM Re: my sore muscles... ointment or painkiller? [Re: picard120]
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Two things that I have found to be effective, at least for myself and my wife, are emu oil rubs (from, among other places, Wallyworld), and an anti-imflamitory from the healthfood store called phenocane. Works as well as, or maybe better than, 800 mg motrin....
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#91147 - 04/15/07 02:44 AM Re: my sore muscles... ointment or painkiller? [Re: picard120]
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Sports-Akileine "Start Cream" is the best muscle-rub I've ever tried - the cream contains Nicotafuryl and Capsicum which increases the micro-circulation, and the temperature of the skin and muscle tissue.

http://www.leguidesante.com/akileine-sports-start/products_1472.html


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#91211 - 04/15/07 11:52 PM Re: my sore muscles... ointment or painkiller? [Re: Matt26]
picard120 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Matt26
Or try your local accupuncture practioner! I've had problems with my right shoulder for the last six months and just started treatements last friday. I just finished my third treatment and am almost pain free! To quote the Monkeys "I'm a believer"! laugh


I read news report that acupuncture practioners don't sterilize the needles throughly that the next customer can contract hepatitis C, or B.

this is serious threat.

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#91232 - 04/16/07 07:04 AM Re: my sore muscles... ointment or painkiller? [Re: picard120]
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I recall a professional bodybuilder saying that drinking a solution of sodium bicarbonate helped neutralize the lactic acid buildup in tissue. That seems a bit rough, but the chemistry is at least right. Aspirin is another acid, and analgesic properties aside, I would think consuming more acid would compound the problem.

A nice hot jacuzzi seems to do wonders for me when I am that sore. Stretching keeps me limber, but doesn't do anything for the pain. If I am in real distress, I find a good deep tissue massage therapist and let them work on me as much as I can stand.
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#91266 - 04/16/07 05:22 PM Re: my sore muscles... ointment or painkiller? [Re: benjammin]
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I recall a professional bodybuilder saying that drinking a solution of sodium bicarbonate helped neutralize the lactic acid buildup in tissue.

Hmmm, I suspect the sodium bicarbonate would be used up by stomach acid rather than make it into the bloodstream and on to the muscles.

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#91305 - 04/16/07 11:07 PM Re: my sore muscles... ointment or painkiller? [Re: Blast]
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Well, I am thinking the same, but I reckon anything that offsets the gastric pH is bound to have a systemic effect as well. The body will look to go to equilbrium, and so the ionic exchange would have to ripple out from the digestive system one way or another. I would wonder how much bicarbonate it would take to swing the pH enough to make a difference in a relatively short period, though
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#91342 - 04/17/07 01:49 PM Re: my sore muscles... ointment or painkiller? [Re: benjammin]
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Normally the volume of the stomach fluid is 20 to 100 mL and the pH is acidic (1.5 to 3.5).

I'll do the actual neutralization calculations later...must...have...green...tea...before...

*THWACK* faceplant onto keyboard

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