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#89301 - 03/24/07 01:05 AM Re: Gulf of Tonkin, Middle Eastern flavored [Re: NightHiker]
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Fine. I agree that Israel can take care of themselves. I agree that they act in the best interests of their National Security. (Applause, Applause, Applause.) My question is: (and I hope I make it plain:) Did they deliberately attack the USS Liberty, (that's the United States Ship The Liberty), and if so, why? (C'Mon. You think you know somethin'. Spill it!!!!)


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#89307 - 03/24/07 01:46 AM Re: Gulf of Tonkin, Middle Eastern flavored [Re: NightHiker]
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Fair enough. I happen to disagree.


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#89308 - 03/24/07 01:54 AM Re: Gulf of Tonkin, Middle Eastern flavored [Re: NightHiker]
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Originally Posted By: NightHiker
(except for the way the prisoners were treated).


Good point. "The Great Speckled Bird" speech should be mandatory reading in US schools. Pay attention to the beatings the Pueblo's crew endured.

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#89310 - 03/24/07 01:59 AM Re: Gulf of Tonkin, Middle Eastern flavored [Re: Blast]
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Ahmadinejad is pretty inflamatory, but if you watch, he's mostly a figure head. He was just recently told to cool his rhetoric on nukes by the guy who is in charge, the Ayatollah. Irans political structure is a far cry from ours, and its hard not to think "ah ha, the president, he's the guy in charge". Maybe the Iranians are playing good cop, bad cop with the West.
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#89319 - 03/24/07 02:46 AM Re: Gulf of Tonkin, Middle Eastern flavored [Re: NightHiker]
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as long as we are standing behind them.

their recent excursion into lebanon showed how invincible they are not.
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#89324 - 03/24/07 03:30 AM Re: Gulf of Tonkin, Middle Eastern flavored [Re: norad45]
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The survivors from the USS Liberty don't think it was "clearly an accident" but I'm sure they're biased-watching their buddies in the water and lifeboats being straffed repeatedly.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.html




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#89325 - 03/24/07 03:37 AM Re: Gulf of Tonkin, Middle Eastern flavored [Re: norad45]
LED Offline
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Originally Posted By: norad45
Originally Posted By: FRERAD1776
Right. Look what Israel did to the USS Liberty and it was clearly in international waters and not in a river with the boundry running down the middle.


That attack was clearly an accident. Or are you suggesting otherwise?


even casual research into the incident clearly indicates a coordinated, deliberate attack on a clearly marked US navy ship by the israeli air force and torpedo boats.


back to the original post. i highly doubt anything will arise from this incident, at least i hope not. maybe the brits were probing iranian waters and the iraninas are flexing a little muscle. seems like politics as usual but likely a pretty stupid move on both sides.

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#89327 - 03/24/07 03:56 AM Re: Gulf of Tonkin, Middle Eastern flavored [Re: FRERAD1776]
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I'm not trying to downplay the seriousness of this incident, but I am having a hard time getting a mental picture of "..repeatedly attacked the American vessel with rockets, napalm, and cannon...concentrating on the ship's electronic antennas and dishes..."

I wonder how one attacks just an antenna with rockets and napalm???
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#89331 - 03/24/07 04:23 AM Re: Gulf of Tonkin, Middle Eastern flavored [Re: OldBaldGuy]
FRERAD1776 Offline
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I wonder how one attacks just an antenna with rockets and napalm???

You're misquoting. The article said concentrating fire on antennas and comunication.

Ya think it might be to prevent a distress call from going out?

If your interested there are many survivor accounts available to read.

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#89332 - 03/24/07 04:27 AM Re: Gulf of Tonkin, Middle Eastern flavored [Re: FRERAD1776]
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