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#83898 - 01/25/07 02:41 AM Airline safe survival kit?
smcharchan Offline


Registered: 01/15/07
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All: I would like to generate some discussion regarding the creation of a survival kit that can be safely carried on an airline flight without violating the many restrictions passengers now face. Let's try to avoid getting into a discussion about the probability of surviving a crash. Rather, I believe we could benefit from consolidating our ideas regarding those items that could prove valuable in the even of a crash or in an emergency that presents itself prior to linking up to one's checked luggage. Actually, I'm surprised that I haven't uncovered an example of an "airline compliant" kit on equipped or during a recent search of online content. Any thoughts? Thanks, -SMC

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#83899 - 01/25/07 06:34 AM Re: Airline safe survival kit?
cedfire Offline
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Martin Focazio started a good thread a while back. Here's a link to it:

Equipped to fly coach

Beyond a flashlight, whistle, and signal mirror, you can't carry much. The sharp stuff has to be in checked baggage and items like matches and lighters are a no-no.

I just figure that I'll assume the crash position, say a few prayers, and hold on for dear life. <img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

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#83900 - 01/25/07 09:23 AM Re: Airline safe survival kit?
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you can actually have one lighter with you when you fly, but it has to be a disposible butain lighter, cant be a zippo or something of the sort.

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#83901 - 01/25/07 02:58 PM Re: Airline safe survival kit?
Russ Offline
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I didn't know that. Last time I flew I removed the Bic lighter from my pack. Do the security folks have a problem with ferrocerium rods on keyrings?

I carried both of my GPS receivers with me; I didn't use them in flight, no point other than being curious. I hadn't considered the VX-5 radio mentioned in the thread. That's a great idea. A simple compass would be a nice to have also.

Besides the exacto blade and fish hooks, what in the Ritter PSK would need to be removed?
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#83902 - 01/25/07 05:45 PM Re: Airline safe survival kit?
WILD_WEASEL Offline
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I participated in a similarly discussion some time ago on this forum, but am unable to find the link. If we are limiting the discussion to a general-purpose personal survival kit that can be brought on an aircraft as carry on I made the following observations. Looking at the current lists available at www.tsa.gov the following are approved items; scissors -metal with pointed tips and blades shorter than four inches and up to four books of safety matches (non-strike anywhere) permitted as carry on but not checked. Taking the basic contents of my PSK and substituting scissors for a knife and replacing book matches for the Ritter Spark Light, which could be construed as a lighter, I should be good to go. HOWEVER, the TSA Security Checkers are not the sharpest spoons in the drawer and may view a PSK as SUSPICIOUS! I therefore carry these items scattered in my laptop/attaché case as to not draw undue attention. I curse al-Qaeda for the loss of my RIGHT to carry my pocketknife while traveling.

MY KIT'S CONTENTS:
Tin-With Reflective Tape In Lid-Stored In Water Proof Vacuum Bag
Survival Instructions
X2 Pieces Rip-Stop Nylon Tape
X6 MicroPur Water Purification Tables
X2 Gerber Breast Milk Bags
X2 Large 2”x3” Elastic Plasters
X2 Medium 1”x3” Elastic Plasters
X4 Butter Fly Closures
[color:"red"] Scalpel Blade REMOVED [/color]
3 in 1 Antibacterial Cream
X2 Aspirin
Signal Mirror
Heavy Duty Thread / Fishing Line
[color:"red"] Leatherman Micra REPLACE WITH BANDAGE SCISSORS [/color]
Compass
LED Light
[color:"red"] Sparker REPLACED WITH SAFETY MATCHES [/color]
X4 Fire Tinder
Whistle
Snare Wire
Heavy Duty Needle
Misc. Fishing Tackle
X4 Safety Pins
[color:"red"] [/color]
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#83903 - 01/25/07 05:49 PM Re: Airline safe survival kit?
BrianTexas Offline
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Registered: 04/26/06
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I was thinking that the following items would be OK. All of them would be useful in an emergency situation.

1) Fresnal lens or magnifying glass (one could pack the kind that are used by readers)
2) FAK with bandages, meds, tape, burn cream, antibiotic cream, cleansing wipes etc.
3) Breast feeding bags for water storage.
4) rite-in-the-rain notebook with pen.
5) Compass
6) small sweing kit
7) emergency poncho
8) photon freedom light
9) sunglasses
10) sunscreen
11) tea bags, packets of instant coffee,
12) aluminum foil

It's an interesting question. Last summer my wife and I faced the same issue when we flew to Orlando to visit Mickey. I'm certain that there are many more items that could be added to the list.

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#83904 - 01/25/07 05:51 PM Re: Airline safe survival kit?
NAro Offline
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Sorry Hurley52, you're wrong:
"All lighters are prohibited as carry-on items. Lighters without fuel are permitted in checked baggage. Lighters with fuel are prohibited in checked baggage, unless they adhere to DOT exemptions, which allow up to two fueled lighters if properly enclosed in a DOT approved case."

When I fly commercial, I carry the Ritter PSK w/o scalpel,a HeatSheet, a travel FAK, Doug's Photon light, and a Surefire.

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#83905 - 01/25/07 07:47 PM Re: Airline safe survival kit?
Russ Offline
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As for carrying the kit, two jackets come to mind:
1. SCOTTEVEST, specifically designed to carry lots of stuff, and
2. Massif Inferno jacket, designed in Nomex to carry a few important things and to protect the wearer from open flames.

I went with the Massif Inferno Jacket. It has enough pockets to carry the basics. Critical items go in specific pockets. The rest goes into the internal cargo pockets. The Scott eVest is a nice way to go if you need to carry a lot and need lots of pockets, but my memory wouldn't keep it all straight -- too many pockets for my taste.
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#83906 - 01/25/07 08:19 PM Re: Airline safe survival kit?
joaquin39 Offline
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Registered: 03/19/05
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Loc: Philadelphia,Pennsyvania, USA.
As far as I know NO lighters are allowed either checked or carried-on. Only up to 4 books of matches are allowed in the carried-on.

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#83907 - 01/25/07 09:25 PM Lighters on Airplanes
JCWohlschlag Offline
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Just to make a correction, you cannot carry any lighter with you on carry-on luggage. You may only carry up to two Zippo (not butane) lighters in DOT approved cases in your checked luggage. For reference to these rules about lighters and matches, see http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_multi_image_with_table_0099.shtm. For the full list of permitted and prohibited items, see http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm.
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#83908 - 01/26/07 12:20 AM Re: Airline safe survival kit?
JohnN Offline
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Registered: 10/10/01
Posts: 966
Loc: Seattle, WA
My approach is to take my approach has been to take my normal EDC kit and start paring it down.

I start by removing the sharps and other prohibited items and place those items in checked baggage. I remove everything that might cause an issue, not just the specifically prohibited ones. So, for example, I remove the safety pins, safety razor, etc.

All fire starting equipment that isn't specifically prohibited goes in checked luggage.

Then, I further pare down the kit removing spares and items that might give TSA an excuse to hassle me. So for example, I'd probably check or remove my scanner and/or GRMS if I was carrying it and reduce the number of spare batteries. I limit myself to two flashlights carry on and anything else goes in checked luggage (I tend to have a flashlight, a backup and a headlamp in my kit).

Then, I pull all liquids and gels and put them in a Ziplock. This caught me off guard last time because I hadn't flown since the whole liquid/gel thing. I forgot that several items in my FAK could be considered a liquid or a gel. When in doubt, into the baggie it goes.

I also ditch any water and obtain some later after going through security (you can't take it through security any more).

I also repack my bag from the Jumbo into a day pack. This allows me to add some warm clothes, rain jacket, hat, etc.

I also spread all the electronics out so they are not "piled" on top of each other (from the xray's point of view). If your junk is piled on top of each other so they can't see through it all or if it is jumbled on the xray then you are begging to ask for "special treatment" IMO.

Prior to getting into line at the security check, I remove any metal items (watch, ring, flash light, spare batteries) and put them in the back, including my wallet. I take my ID, cash and credit cards and stick them in my pocket. I tend to wear steel shank hiking boots on flights, and I unlace them and tuck the laces into the boot prior to getting in line. If I'm carrying a laptop, I'll pull it from the pack and hold it. Ditto the "liquid/gel" Ziplock.

This allows me to stay dressed until I get the the check point at which time, I can easily take off my boots and belt and put them on the xray. I think that you want to make it smooth when you get to the security checkpoint, but not look like you have prepared too much either.

After getting through security, I get dressed again.

My main preparations in regard to a potential crash is to wear sturdy boots, non-flammable/meltable clothes and have a bright flashlight in my pocket. I figure the biggest issue is exiting the vehicle in the event it actually makes it down. If something happens, assume you'll need to leave your back so have it on your person.

In general, I like to have my carry on kit aimed for getting stuck in some remote airport for a couple of days w/o my checked baggage (think snowed in) and end up sleeping in some concourse hallway. This means I do include comfort items like Tylenol, wet-wipes, iPod, book, etc. It also means I do take a power brick to charge my electronics, although I do also have a 4AA battery pack also.

I think the main issue is to avoid any disallowed or marginal items and look "normal" enough not to cause TSA to work you over.

In terms of true survival gear, I think the biggest issue is getting out of the plane. Typically if a 737 crashes, someone notices. And if you really did get into a "lost" situation, the same EDC that serves you well for spending 48 hrs in an remote airport is probably going to be a good start.

Wild_Weasel wrote:
Quote:
I curse al-Qaeda for the loss of my RIGHT to carry my pocketknife while traveling.


Yah, I remember MAKING SURE I *HAD* my folder before boarding. Sigh.

-john


Edited by JohnN (01/26/07 12:58 AM)

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#83909 - 01/26/07 01:07 AM Re: Airline safe survival kit? - Thanks!
smcharchan Offline


Registered: 01/15/07
Posts: 2
Just want to thank everyone for sharing your excellent ideas.
Cedfire provides a link to a previous discussion regarding this subject; make sure you check it out if interested.
I'll review all posts and provide a summary once the responses start to slow down.
Thanks again for your help. -SMC

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#83910 - 01/26/07 07:08 PM Re: Airline safe survival kit?
philip Offline
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> Massif inferno jacket

And so cheap at $238! :-)

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#83911 - 01/26/07 07:17 PM Re: Airline safe survival kit?
Russ Offline
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plus $13 shipping and handling. It's a lot, but fortunately I can write it off on my taxes as required safety attire. I can't write-off nylon and standard polyester, but I can make a good argument for Nomex and Kevlar.
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#83912 - 01/26/07 10:24 PM tsa approved multi tools
jmarkantes Offline
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Registered: 05/02/05
Posts: 138
Loc: Portland, OR, USA
Leatherman just came out with their knifeless fuse that is supposed to be fine for airline travel. I thought there was a swiss army tool without a blade also but couldn't find it on their website. Could be handy if you keep a separate knife in the checked bags when you arrive.
J

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#83913 - 02/02/07 03:17 AM Re: tsa approved multi tools
sotto Offline
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I just received a little Otter-type box from Zippo, DOT approved for use in carrying a fueled Zippo in checked baggage on a plane. I won't try it with one of my nicer Zippos for awhile!

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#83914 - 02/02/07 08:21 AM Re: Airline safe survival kit?
LED Offline
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Registered: 09/01/05
Posts: 1474
one of my biggest concerns when traveling is how well i can hide my leatherman P4 (or other multi-tool) in my checked baggage so no TSA baggage handlers steal it. in general, anything i really like (including jackets and my hat) stay in my carry-on. i still can't understand how 4 inch scissors are okay in carry-on, but my P4 isn't.


Edited by LED (02/02/07 08:23 AM)

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