#83285 - 01/19/07 02:53 AM
Re: Para-Cord or Zip-Ties
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Journeyman
Registered: 06/19/06
Posts: 93
Loc: Central Ohio
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For a shelter, I would use cord. However, zip ties are very usefull to have. On a recent backpacking trip, one of our group members hip belt quick disconnect split lengthwise, preventing the buckle from latching. Para cord would not have helped. A zip tie pinched the break together well enough that it lasted 8 days with a 50 lb pack. I usually carry a few in a pack repair kit with a couple of pins, split rings, duct tape, & needle and nylon thread.
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#83286 - 01/19/07 04:01 AM
Re: Para-Cord or Zip-Ties
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 02/09/01
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The previous posts have pretty much tied and zipped your question. I would only once again admonish all to have confidence in what you have. A cheap painter's tarp and bargain hank of that white utility clothesline makes a mighty welcoming shelter and confidence builder to someone with a limited budget or slowly 'upgrading' to paracord or technical climbing line.
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#83287 - 01/19/07 04:09 AM
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Rapscallion
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Registered: 02/06/04
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Loc: Anchorage AK
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I've used zip ties extensively most of my adult life. There are myriad versions that have different applications. I've used them for lashings for heavy heliax along radio tower legs right down to binding 24 gauge wire in bundles inside mic connectors. They are versatile and quickly deployed. The last emergency shelter I built used willow branches, clear plastic garbage bags, duct tape and zip ties, and the zip ties held up well and expedited the set up. I could've used lashings of paracord just as well, only it would've taken more time, and if I were encumbered or disabled might have been more problematic. I can lash a zip tie with one hand, which would not be possible with zip cord without pre-engineering some sort of fastening setup first. In a survival situation, that could be a significant issue. The type of zip ties I would carry with me for survival work will hold a static load of 100-130 lbs, and should hold up to normal wear and tear and ambient UV for at least 2 years once deployed.
I made a 30 foot chain of zip ties once to hoist an antenna up a pole. It was a waste, but I had no choice, and it worked. The antenna weighed about 20 lbs, and was well below the load limit of the chain.
I replaced the shoelaces in my favorite hiking boots a year and a half ago with paracord, and it is holding up much better than the laces did. The only complaint is I have to double knot the bow or the knot won't hold.
I used to keep a few zip ties around my wrist till one time I was prying the latch open on one to remove it and darned near slit my wrist!!! Now I just keep em in my EDC.
I think the ideal EDC size is the foot long ones in black that are about 4 or 5 mm wide. I'd actually EDC about a dozen or so of those, then a couple about half that size and maybe one or two that are really big, but the big ones tend to get a bit unwieldy to stow. If you need to zip tie something bigger than one zip tie will handle, they do gang easy enough. You can even use zip ties as trip snares if you know what you are doing. They have too much friction in the latch to work as noose snares, though.
Zip ties got used a lot by soldiers for adding gear to belts and packs in Iraq I noticed.
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#83288 - 01/19/07 04:39 AM
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 02/09/01
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Remove the 7 inner strands from your paralaces , cut and melt tips on an angle for rapid lacing. They wont slip.
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#83289 - 01/19/07 05:01 AM
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Rapscallion
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 4020
Loc: Anchorage AK
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Hmm, that'd leave flat shells, which ought to bind up nicely. Good idea.
I've gotten so used to double tying my hikers now that I think I prefer it. I also think that with that pair I prefer to keep the cordage whole, the idea of disassembly is abhorrant for some reason. However for other footwear applications I will heed your advice.
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#83290 - 01/19/07 05:20 AM
Re: Para-Cord or Zip-Ties
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Geezer
Registered: 09/30/01
Posts: 5695
Loc: Former AFB in CA, recouping fr...
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If I could only have one, paracord wins hands down.
But keep in mind that it is possible to build a leanto with neither of them. Find two trees side by side about a foot (or more) farther apart than you are tall, with branches at about the same level above the ground. Put your ridgepole into the fork of those branches. Then cut some branches long enough to extend from above the ridgepole to the ground at an angle, and leave a smaller branch sticking out enough to hook over the ridge pole. Do a bunch of those close together, then add more layers and you have your leanto...
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#83291 - 01/20/07 01:06 AM
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Enthusiast
Registered: 11/17/06
Posts: 351
Loc: New Jersey
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Thank you all for the replies. I really enjoyed reading them all, and learned alot from doing so.I guess i'll do what i was doing all along, carrying both.
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#83292 - 01/20/07 03:45 PM
Re: Para-Cord or Zip-Ties
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Journeyman
Registered: 12/09/05
Posts: 54
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On the subject of zip-ties, I carry the re-usable type (you can squeeze the latch and they re-open).
eeph
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