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#78360 - 11/29/06 05:09 PM Social fragmenting
Chisel Offline

Registered: 12/05/05
Posts: 1275
Go ahead administrator and fix the title
I just couldnt think of any better one.

All wars are bad. However , there are small stories that stick in your mind no matter what.

A few years ago there was an ethnic war in Rwanda or Burubdi ( or both ) and the war was between two tribes or communities ; the Tutsi and the Hutu ( sp ? ) . One of the stories I cannot ever forget is when a group of one tribe or community came to a house where the husband was one of their tribe and wife was from the opposite side. They ordered him to kill her or else he would be killed.

Maybe ( if I remember) the story says that he killed his wife to save his life. And I hope I am wrong in this : most of the killings happened using machettes !!

(wiping a tear)
ehhhh !!

As we all know , societies and communities may be subject to ethnic , cultural religious, or political fragmenting at any time, and espcially in tough and rough times. So here is the question.

You are in a country or community. Problems happen (political, economic, religious ..whatever) and you start to feel tensions and small confronations building up between differemnt parts of the society. Verbal abuses and message-board attacks become more frequent. You hear of some words like "weapons" more frequently.

What do you do ?
Is it time to leave before it is too late?
Is bugging out an overreaction ?

Would you try to gather a few wise people from all sides to calm things down or would you try to leave the whole brewing mess and take your family away ASAP ?

#78361 - 11/29/06 05:15 PM Re: social fragments
big_al Offline

Registered: 01/04/06
Posts: 586
Loc: 20mi east of San Diego
Good question. I think it all depends on how vocal each of the groups are and if they are armed or not, I know I will be.
Some people try to turn back their odometers.
Not me, I want people to know "why" I look this way
I've traveled a long way and some of the roads weren't paved

#78362 - 11/29/06 08:56 PM Re: Social fragmenting
Susan Offline

Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
You can't escape it. It's the nature of the beast (us).

Even if you manage to run away and create your own community (exceptionally unlikey in these days), your group will still create it's own unrest. It can be about religion, elements of religion, attitude toward life, willingness or unwillingness to work, inability to share, hair color, eye color, or the way some people hold their mouth.

Human beings: fairly good idea, kind of poor execution. <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />


#78363 - 11/29/06 08:57 PM Re: social fragments
massacre Offline
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Registered: 12/07/05
Posts: 781
Loc: Central Illinois
That is seriously cool. And looks TSA friendly to boot.
Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards.

#78364 - 11/29/06 09:24 PM Re: Social fragmenting
Malpaso Offline
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Registered: 09/12/05
Posts: 817
Loc: MA
Rent the movie Hotel Rwanda.
It's not that life is so short, it's that you're dead for so long.

#78365 - 11/29/06 10:22 PM Re: social fragments
nursemike Offline
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Registered: 11/09/06
Posts: 861
Loc: wellington, fl
After the hutu killed off the tutsi, the dogs owned by the tutsi began to feed on the cadavers.. the hutu were offended by this and started killing the dogs...I suspect that this is the sort of thing that prompted the Flood in Genesis. Much of the world seems to be filled with people who hate each other for reasons lost in history, and whose willingness to kill one another is supressed only by militant dictatorships.Then well-meaning folk try to fix up the dicatatorship, and wind up with civil war, ethnic cleansing, and a whole lot of ungrateful people complaining that life was better under the dictator. Maybe the flood was a better solution than sending in the UN peacekeepers.
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#78366 - 11/30/06 03:13 AM Re: Social fragmenting
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Registered: 07/15/02
Posts: 3561
Loc: Spring, Texas
You mean like the Dutch exodus that started taking place in 2004?

Another article.
To quote: "Last year, more people left the Netherlands than arrived, despite low unemployment and the highest per-capita income of any major country in Europe."

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#78367 - 11/30/06 05:58 AM Re: social fragments
massacre Offline
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Registered: 12/07/05
Posts: 781
Loc: Central Illinois
Sorry about that... I have no idea what happened, but that post was for the recent post on the belt with the screwdrivers for the buckle.
Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards.

#78368 - 12/13/06 10:45 PM Re: Social fragmenting
ScottRezaLogan Offline
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Registered: 01/07/04
Posts: 723
Loc: Pttsbg SWestern Pa USA N-Amer....
I think that in large measure, there is a Great Difference in how prone a First World Society (say the Dutch) is towards doing such "Kill you at the Drop of a Pin!", -as opposed to your general Third world and Primitive ones. (Far More Prone towards).

The latter often can so have more of a Dedication and Passion about things, -which variously can be both a Good thing or a Bad thing.

One such Bad thing is a certain propensity to "Bite one's Head Off"!, -in the way we're speaking of here.

The Former now, -or the First World groupings, -are very much the opposite side of the entire Coin. Both the Goods and Bads of that overall Coin. We're far more Laid Back, Cool, and Easy! Very often *not* going to WW-3 over the littlest things.

Now we should Care about some More Important things in Life. And not just go about "Creature Comforts", and the like.

But at least a Good Side of that First World Coin of our's, -is that we *Don't* go "for the Machete" at the Smallest Thing or Slight!, from one another! (Except of course from some of our Crimino Punk types, Guy going after his Wife, Girlfriend, etc over some Slight, etc etc etc. Even in our Crime Rife Enuff of a Society, -in our case, -this still is the *Exception* to the "Rule", -not the prevailing Rule itself!)

I'm afraid that in many, -though certainly not all, -Third World and Primitive Societies, -it *is* at least much more!, -of a general, Prevailing Rule! I'm again referring to "Killing Sprees", etc.

Its something to be Worried about and Prepared for, -here in our First World Society (Just witness some Aspects of New Orleans, -though it could be said that Poor Folks can be more closely akin to Third Worlders).

But a Social Breakdown here in America, Western and Central Europe, or other areas of the Free / Western / and Developed World, -is not nearly so "Hazardously Likely", -as a Breakdown in Rwanda or somewhere might well be!

The former Yugoslavia, now, -can probably be viewed as something of a "Tweener Case". Reasonably Developed, (though once PHRASECENSOREDPOSTERSHOULDKNOWBETTER.), -it certainly wasn't in the "New York / Paris / London Club"! Its pent up Frustrations and Rivalries of course had made it into a real "Killing Zone"!

Lebanon too, in the 70s and 80s. Though all in all, it was closer to a Third World Society, than a First. Significantly more so than Yugoslavia. And you've got the whole additional element, of a Militant Islamic Subset (along with "Militant Christians") thrown in there too.

Speaking of such, Militant Islam, -for the very Most part a Third World phenonomon, -clearly is getting a lot of its "Jollies", -out of such Beheadings and the like.

But here in the First World, -you've got the Stellar Example of the Czech and Slovak "Velvet Divorce". (though they also were once PHRASECENSOREDPOSTERSHOULDKNOWBETTER., and also something of a "Tweener Land").

So while the "Rule" doesn't always Hold entirely True, -the First Worlders and the Third Worlders / Primitives, -generally Stand on Opposite sides of the Fence, -concerning such "Machete Liklihood" here!....! [color:"black"] [/color] [email]Chisel[/email]
"No Substitute for Victory!"and"You Can't be a Beacon if your Light Don't Shine!"-Gen. Douglass MacArthur and Donna Fargo.

#78370 - 12/14/06 12:05 AM Re: social fragments
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
Denny... what a farce. Who says juries aren't manipulated?

At least he outlived most of his attackers, and the others won't be seeing freedom for the next 40+ years.

There are many people who don't care about the cause. I think they just like the violence, and use a handy incident as an excuse. People are usually really good about rationalizing their behavior.


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