Hi Cliff,

I think that would likely be a TradeMark, but you'd have to apply for it. You can host pictures on any number of free services out there. Do a search for "free picture hosting" or click here if you have already setup the goodsearch cookie. There's plenty of options and many have prepared UBB and HTML code to dump thumnails with links to bigger pictures right into your message.

Can't wait to see it! <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Pictures good. I use photobucket now that I'm without host for the indeterminable future.

I took Ironraven's advice and played around a bit with Photobucket. I have no idea how this will turn out. OK, so here goes. .....

Here is the CLIFFstove packed up in a MOLLE utility pouch in the latest ACU colors (which are all the rage this year, BTW). In the pouch are two USGI canteen cups, a Natick cup stove/stand, and a USGI canteen cup cut up to work as a windscreen stove (aka, the CLIFFstove!). A small Trangia meths burner is in the side pocket (It's that bulge on the side. "Is that a stove in your pocket, or are you..... Oh, never mind.):

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Here is the assembly unpacked:

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With the CLIFFstove assembled:

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And with the cup on the CLIFFstove. Note how the Natick stove / stand is used as a heat shield:

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And here is the CLIFFstove, sans Natick stove / stand, used with your ordinary mess kit. I have boiled a liter of water with this in about 10 minutes. Hard boil.

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DISCLAIMER AND WARNING(S): The item shown is a home-built item. If you copy this, you do so at YOUR OWN RISK. Niether Equipped to Survive, nor Doug Ritter, nor Trangia, nor nor Cliff Grout (nor any of their family, friends, pets or trees in their yard) are in any way responsible if something goes awfully wrong. Or even slightly wrong. I can tell you this: This little stove heats up - a lot. It gets so hot that the top edge sometimes glows red hot. I cut additional air holes in the CLLIFFstove, but I am still worried that the contraption may overheat the Trangia stove - with less than optimal results (like, exploding metal stove bits flying about). So far, I have had no troubles. But that doesn't mean.......

And if you snag my idea and market it, I want naming rights and a decent cut as royalty. And cut Doug in, too - ETS could use the cash. If you don't cut us in, or claim this as your own design, well, let's just say we got friends........ <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Oh, yes - why the second cup? I have always carried two canteen cups. One I use to heat water, and one I use as a bowl or cup. That way, I can be drinking a cup of coffee while heating water for grits. (Yes, grits. I'm from Louisiana. Deal with it.)

Hope all of this helps, and thanks, Ironraven!

.....CLIFF
(like, who else?)

can you make the picture a little bit smaller next time, it's filling my screen.

Intersting setup. I have only used the natrick stove with a alcohol stove due simply turning the cup 180 degrees and on the natrick stove. Not very stable nor very efficient, because the lack of wind protection.

Ah, much clearer with pictures, yes, thank you. I think I'm going to see if I can find a can that I can do something similair with for use with nalgenes.

I hate it when I go to the grocery store and everyone is looking at me funny becuase I'm measuring the cans. Of course I could always mutilate a an olicamp cup, but I don't want to do that. :P

What are you using to fuel your trangia? I've been using the yellow HEET and I can get 500ml of water to a rolling boil in about 7 minutes with it. I'm wondering if your juice might be better, or if boil time vs volume isn't a linear relationship.

I also didn't see a fuel bottle in that kit.

Ironraven:

Fuel is just denatured alcohol. What does the trick, I think, is the Natick stove, which channels the heat up the sides of the cup and not just "out and away". As for fuel storage, I do one of two things: For weekends, filling the Trangia full up and taking along a 4oz. plastic squirt bottle full of fuel works fine - I've never run out of fuel. (My little bottle was originally used for hotel shampoo - thank you Holiday Inn.) For longer excursions, I take along a fuel bottle I got with a Swedidh mess kit (it has a Trangia stove with it).

Oh - PC2K: I'm terribly sorry about the image sizes. They looked fine when I previewed the darn thing, but trying to open it up from home I see what you mean. Like I said in my earlier post - this was my first stab at posting images, so please forgive me. <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

.....CLIFF
(like, who else?)

thanks for the pics cliff... very cool setup

no need to say sorry, everybody that post pictures has propably done it once...

I fold up a loaf tin - more robust than foil and already preshaped. Any tiny holes can be pinched shut, but generally I'd keep it folded until needed and then once open keep it that way, to avoid wear.

Boiling in holes in the ground, birch bark containers, paper cups etc. is great knowledge for a tight spot, but as the ability to boil and cook is pretty fundamental, I'd try to find space for a foil pan - mine squashes really small.

FWIW, Rays Mears (British bushcraft guru) rates a decent cook pot second only to a knife, because they are so hard to improvise.

I agree. I really like my Space Saver Metal Cup on the bottom of a 1 liter negalene bottle.