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#67367 - 06/08/06 05:41 PM Re: anyone bought hybrid car?
Malpaso Offline
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The one really big hesitation to them that I have is the one Malpaso raised. That's why a lot of hybrids around here have stickers in the windows telling emergency crews where the safe-cut spot that isolates the batterypack is.

That's all well and good, but if you're to the point where you are going to use the Jaws of Life, the sticker on the window might not be legible any longer. There's also the problem that the electric motor may not shut off in a crash, and you can't hear it like an internal combustion engine. As a first responder, if you try getting someone out of the vehicle that's still running and you don't know it, you might be in for a world of hurt. First rule is your own safety, then your partner, then the patient. You don't want to injure more people. If that means waiting before entering a situation, you wait. If I'm in the accident, I'd rather not give the responders any reason to wait.
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#67368 - 06/08/06 07:31 PM Re: anyone bought hybrid car?
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Excellent point about the FD's ability to respond to hybrid vehicle accidents. I hadn't realized that it was such an issue (that's why I love this site!). Maybe BioDiesel, E85, and Hydrogen hybrids aren't such a bad idea... hopefully they can get the H2 stabalized so it's not a threat like the batteries. Any ideas if the UltraCapacitors they are working on would be even more of a threat than batteries?

Just curious, what are the top dangers? I assume immediately that battery leak is promininent among them, but if the engine is running, how would that affect retrieval of a victim? Just curious... I don't have much experience in this area (though I'm planning on volunteering with the local Ambulance after I take the course this fall).
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#67369 - 06/08/06 07:49 PM Re: anyone bought hybrid car?
Malpaso Offline
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but if the engine is running, how would that affect retrieval of a victim? Just curious...

One of the scenarios that came up in a recent class was going in through a window to do airway control/spine stabilization on a victim and the vehicle, which you thought was disabled, starts moving under power.
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#67370 - 06/08/06 07:59 PM Re: anyone bought hybrid car?
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The manufacturers of Hybrid have been training FD on rescues from Hybrid cars. They assure FD that the engines shut off electrical power immediately to engine upon a crash. I saw the documentary report on discovery channel.

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#67371 - 06/08/06 08:21 PM Re: anyone bought hybrid car?
Malpaso Offline
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I saw American Chopper on the Discovery Channel. Doesn't make it real.

I wonder how many employees of hybrid makers have responded to a call on a fire truck or ambulance.
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#67372 - 06/08/06 10:13 PM Re: anyone bought hybrid car?
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Loc: Virginia, US
The Teutles aren't real?

Great... Wy don't you crush my dreams about meeting Santa Clause now! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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#67373 - 06/08/06 11:24 PM Re: anyone bought hybrid car?
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Personally, I'm not to sure about these Hybrids, I've read a lot of good, but also a lot of bad. I'm going to wait another 10 years or so before I consider buying one. Right now I've got a few diesels and they keep me quite happy. Excellent mileage, tons of torque, and extremely durable and reliable. I really wish more companies started making diesel vehicles.


By the way, the reason we arn't all driving 30+ MPG cars is emmissions and enviromental technology. If we didn't have that stuff choking our engines mileage and power would improve considerably.


Edited by Paul810 (06/08/06 11:32 PM)

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#67374 - 06/09/06 01:17 AM Re: anyone bought hybrid car?
LED Offline
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Registered: 09/01/05
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actually, most auto makers (ford, toyota, honda, mercedes, etc) make a diesel version of every model they sell in the US. unfortunately the US is one of the only countries in the world where they're not sold. i love the new diesels but could never afford to import one. oh well.

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#67375 - 06/09/06 03:11 AM Re: anyone bought hybrid car?
ironraven Offline
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Registered: 09/08/05
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Loc: Vermont
Can't comment on the Honda, but the material I've read on the Toyota system is that if the air bag deploys, the big electrics cut out. That's backed up by the experinces of one of my best friends. He could get his four ways on when he found the gaurdrails, and that was it, but those are run from the 12V battery. The Toyota system has two distinct and seperate wiring sets.

I also know that the folks at Toyota have been VERY agressive about getting thier people to talk to fire and rescue folks, or so they claim. I've spoken with a guy who does thier training. He was trying to talk me into buying a Prius, so I was pumping him for information. :P

I'm actually waiting to see if the hybrid Escape has a lower probability of rolling, and when I replace my hunk of junk it will either by the Escape or an Outback. If Subaru comes out with a good hybrid Outback, it's a given.
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#67376 - 06/09/06 03:14 AM Re: anyone bought hybrid car?
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That is becuase we have the nastiest diesel in the world. In Germany, what they call deisel is what we call #2 home heating oil. We put the odifiers into the fuel for tax reasons.

And there isn't a diesel of everything. The GT 500 doesn't have a diesel version. Lousy bug out vehicle, but if you are first in line, the only things you can't outrun are a tornado and a nuke. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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