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#66792 - 05/30/06 12:25 PM Re: rossi for survival?
AyersTG Offline
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Yes for hunting, although in that style and price range the NEF/H&R rifles are better made and perhaps "more reliable". A good lever action rifle in any centerfire caliber from 357 on up would be a bit more versitile. I think a 30-30 Marlin carbine would probably be a great choice in North America.

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#66793 - 05/30/06 02:08 PM Re: rossi for survival?
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It would not be my first choice now, but if I were on a budget I would not hesitate to get one. My first gun was also a single shot of sorts: a Savage Model 24 rifle/shotgun combo. It was considered a "budget gun" at the time but now they go for $400-$500. I still have mine. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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#66794 - 05/30/06 02:31 PM Re: rossi for survival?
massacre Offline
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True enough - I'd take a single shot over no shot!

I guess my point was that forcing someone to make a great shot in a survival situation might be counterproductive. Sure, it means that they don't waste ammo, but what if the hands or cold, or the eye is blurred or bloodied or the hand is broken? I can think of a lot of reasons why it would be a bad idea to have a single shot weapon that I would need to reload. But in a survival situation, it's the reasons I can't think of that make me believe a single shot gun has no place in my survival gear. Having a pre-loaded magazine could save my bacon someday. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#66795 - 05/30/06 02:51 PM Re: rossi for survival?
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Here is my take...

A firearm can serve two possible purposes: protection and food gathering.

The prime key of a defensive firearm is that it is ready when you need it. This means having it on you or nearby. To me, a handgun on the hip would be ideal for this. It can be plenty accurate up to 25 yards with a little training, and passable at 50 yards with more training. If something is more than 50 yards away, it can't hurt you (assuming threats with 4 legs).

For putting food on the table, a single-shot would be fine with me. If you know what you are doing then one shot should be all that you need. A single-shot will also be more reliable, simpler to maintain, and lighter. It is also cheaper, so you could get two -- one for the truck and one for the BOB, or one to practice with and one for the BOB.

Plus, all it took was one shot for Jed to discover the oil on his property and move to Beverly Hills. <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Of course, if you are limiting yourself to one firearm only, I would want something that can fire a 2nd shot fairly rapidly.
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#66796 - 05/30/06 07:26 PM Re: rossi for survival?
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Ok, to come clean, I was trained to shoot by the British Army. My personal weapon was a 7.62mm Nato (semi-automatic, no fully automatic) L1A1 SLR. 20 round magazine. Normal carry load of 5 magazine's. That's 100 rounds of ammo. We were always told that that was all the ammo you would get for a battle. So make every round count. I have to say that with one of them in my hands, no thing, neither man nor mob or beast worries me. What does worry me is the spray and pray portrayed by Hollywood. Hence my preferance for single shot weapons. However, I take your point. What magazine capacity would you suggest? 5 rounds with a 10 or 20 round magazine(s) in the bag?
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#66797 - 05/30/06 07:46 PM Re: rossi for survival?
massacre Offline
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Completely depends on the weapon, I think Leigh.

I was ignoring something along the lines of a sniper rifle, and thinking of survival. I'm much more familiar with handguns than I am with rifles, but I think a full high cap clip for your weapon (or a full tube if it's built in like a shotgun), plus at least another clip or 2. If your weapon doesn't use a clip, then a bandolier is probably a decent option, but they do make so many styles of pouch, you could toss the ammo in one that fits it well.

I look at Hollywood for what it is. Entertainment. It's a lot more entertaining to hear a few hundred rounds buzz off and spray the area (with hardly any hits usually) than one shot. The exception maybe being the sniper movies. I pick weapons based on my own personal experience and knowledge. If some guy wants a fully auto AR15 or AK47 style weapon in a survival situation (at least not in a war zone!) then more power to him. I'll stick with a few well placed rounds and carry less equipment.

Anyway, I think at a bare minimum a dozen rounds for any given weapon is a nice start. I'd say depending on weight and mag capacity, maybe 45 rounds. That should suffice for any relatively minor survival situation as defense and hunting, but again, I'm just throwing numbers up in the air - it depends on the weapon, the situations and animals you might encounter, how effective the round is and how long you might be in said situation.
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#66798 - 05/30/06 08:53 PM Re: rossi for survival?
Leigh_Ratcliffe Offline
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My thinking has always tended towards: Revolver, 5 rounds in the gun. 2 speed loaders, 30-36 rounds of loose. Rifle, single shot, 40 rounds. Semi-automatic, one 5 round magazine, one ten round magazine, two 20 round magazines. Plus 20 to 40 rounds loose or any combination there of. If it's an urban situation like the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina: Semi-automatic, not less than 4, 20 round, magazines plus as much additional ammunition as I can waddle along under.
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#66799 - 05/30/06 11:29 PM Re: rossi for survival?
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Registered: 09/04/05
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Loc: Illinois
All true, and I agree 100%... BUT... a single shot is a whole lot cheaper for someone on a budget... AND... a whole lot easier to repair in the field if you don't happen to have a spare parts kit with you (example; I've seen a LOT of broken firing pins in old single shot 12 guages replaced with filed down nails... I wouldn't want to try that with my 870 without my tools and the proper parts). Other than those two points, I'd have to agree with every word you said <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />.

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#66800 - 05/31/06 12:46 AM Re: rossi for survival?
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If it's urban survival, that's a whole other ball-game. I'll be carrying handgun with at least 4 hi-cap clips (12-15 round depending on caliber), .308 rifle with at least 3 20 round clips, and a full loaded short barrel SG with a bandolier of another 25 rounds. Plus probably a backup handgun in same caliber as first. Like you, I'll probably be carrying more ammo than that, but that's what's readily available. Never been much of a revolver fan, so everything is semi-auto. Leaning toward SS, HK, and Beretta. I like expensive guns. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Oh, and I'll be packing a prayer that I never have to use any of the above.
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#66801 - 05/31/06 12:49 AM Re: rossi for survival?
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Okay, Field Expedience and Budgetary concerns may impact your choice. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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