#66248 - 05/21/06 06:57 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 11/14/04
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Loc: Mountains of CA
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So this pack and contents are what I take on all my 4x4/off-road adventures. The pack is my 'backup' to the usual gear already in my jeep, and is basicaly the backup-backup of food. Meaning I always bring extra food and water but if for some reason that runs out I have suplys in my backpack. The pack comes wtih me if I drive or not. You will notice redundancy and luxury items (water treatment methods, hand warmers, aloe, shovel, etc) as well as probably more than enough of some items. I'm looking for advice on items to add to the pack (still room). Overall Pack Look: Left Side Left Side Contents Right Side Right Side contents Main Zipper Pouch Contents (Tuna is in indinvual ziplocks, and double wrpaped in freezer, and taped to prevent mishaps) Main Pouch Pot/Cup Contents (stove & spork & replacement stuff for stove) Main Sub-Pouch (tiny) Main Sub-Pouch Contents
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#66249 - 05/21/06 06:59 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 11/14/04
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Loc: Mountains of CA
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Tiny Front Pouch Tiny Front Pouch Contents Secondary Pouch Contents (Zipper) Secondary Pouch Cup Contents Secondary Sub-Pouch Secondary Sub-Pouch Contents First Aid Kit Modular First Aid Kit contents
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#66250 - 05/21/06 07:00 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 11/14/04
Posts: 1928
Loc: Mountains of CA
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I have more pictures, and larger sizes posted in gallery too: [img] http://www.4x4shots.com/thumbnails.php?album=110[/img] My friends Jeep broke once when we were leaving hte trail and we almost had to spend the night, I was sure glad I had the beef jerky and my hammock incase we did spend a night up there I was ready <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> That was the closest I had ever come to relying on the stuff for overnight stay that was unexpected. I've of course used items from the FAK too.. Items I think I should add. Needle, thread, datrex rations (easier eating for me and taste better and ligther than mainstay). What do yout hink
Edited by ToddW (05/21/06 07:03 AM)
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#66251 - 05/21/06 07:44 AM
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#66252 - 05/21/06 12:59 PM
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Enthusiast
Registered: 12/03/05
Posts: 232
Loc: Wyoming, USA
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Very cool. I like your pack and the fact that you are a fellow jeeper. The only thing that I could add to your pack is 1 or 2 vacuum packed (or ziplock baggy) with some steel wool for fire starting. It is light weight and will burn unless dripping with water. It is the best tinder for starting a fire I have found. Other then that, I think it is a real nicely done pack.
I keep a signal mirror in my pack. (AOL keeps send me a new one every 6 months or so calling it a "CD" or something like that).
I am going to throw my hammock in my pack after reading your artical. Didn't even think of that. Good call.
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#66253 - 05/21/06 02:52 PM
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Loc: Upstate NewYork
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I'm surprised you included the e-tool (folding shovel to the non-military types), as part of the pack kit. Wouldn't a shovel normally be part of your vehicle kit?
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#66256 - 05/21/06 08:07 PM
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Cranky Geek
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 4642
Loc: Vermont
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Looks good. Only one thing....
While I assume some of the bundled items are shelter, I couldn't really identify them. There were also a few small, hand labled white packages that I think I know what they are, but aren't sure. Could you give us an inventory list? (Not a bad thing to have in the kit in any case.)
Also, I recognized the mine bag, but what is the pack you are using? It was't one I could place.
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#66257 - 05/21/06 09:04 PM
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Old Hand
Registered: 09/19/03
Posts: 736
Loc: Montréal, Québec, Canada
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The main pack looks like the Maxpedition Vulture II: But I can't identify the other pouches ... I've never been in the army and I don't know which pouch is a mine bag... Frankie
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#66258 - 05/22/06 12:37 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 11/14/04
Posts: 1928
Loc: Mountains of CA
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Looks good. Only one thing....
While I assume some of the bundled items are shelter, I couldn't really identify them. There were also a few small, hand labled white packages that I think I know what they are, but aren't sure. Could you give us an inventory list? (Not a bad thing to have in the kit in any case.)
Also, I recognized the mine bag, but what is the pack you are using? It was't one I could place.
Teach a man to light fire, he'll be warm for a night. Light him on fire, he'll be warm for life. Sorry, I don't have an inventory list yet... I'll make one and post it. The white packages are 60 and 80gallon baggys, and the 3 small shiny packages are space blankets. The pack is the Maxpedition that was posted. VERY heavy duty pack, and TONS of room, plenty for 3 day pack.
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#66263 - 05/22/06 02:38 AM
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Cranky Geek
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 4642
Loc: Vermont
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OK, musta missed it's naming.
The item I am having a hard time IDing is the black and red one that you have in your main zippered compartment. Is it a hydration bladder?
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#66264 - 05/22/06 03:08 AM
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Cranky Geek
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The item I describe as the mine bag is the kahki on that rides towards the bottom. CountyComm has them, they are modeled after the current claymore mine carrying bag.
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#66265 - 05/22/06 03:49 AM
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Registered: 09/19/03
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Loc: Montréal, Québec, Canada
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I see... Thanks for the information Ironraven.
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#66266 - 05/22/06 05:45 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 11/14/04
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Loc: Mountains of CA
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The item I am having a hard time IDing is the black and red one that you have in your main zippered compartment. Is it a hydration bladder? It's drinkable water method #1 in the pack. MSR Miniworks EX w/extra seal kit and cleaning supplys. Cartridge Life: Up to 2,000 liters, depending on water conditions In my other puch is a MSR Miox w/extra salt. (Uses same batteries as both flashlights) Which is VERY VERY TINY. In the FAK I have water purification tablets. Super redundant <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#66267 - 05/22/06 05:48 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 11/14/04
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Loc: Mountains of CA
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The front removable pouch is a TAG Molle Utility Pouch. There products (atleast this one I have) is just as tough as the Maxpedition backpack.
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#66268 - 05/22/06 12:37 PM
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Cranky Geek
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Loc: Vermont
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Ah, oops. I'm not as familiar with TAGs gear, the two pouches are nearly identical externally. The TAG is just a lot thinner.
Edited by ironraven (05/22/06 01:48 PM)
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#66269 - 05/22/06 06:14 PM
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Registered: 03/18/06
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Loc: The Netherlands
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What about this: http://www.careplus.nl/website.asp?l=en(Look at hygiene, than at water-filter.)
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#66270 - 05/22/06 06:37 PM
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Registered: 12/07/05
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Loc: Central Illinois
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Todd, when you put together your item list, could you include the cost estimate? <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#66271 - 05/22/06 09:30 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 11/14/04
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The item I describe as the mine bag is the kahki on that rides towards the bottom. CountyComm has them, they are modeled after the current claymore mine carrying bag. Ah, oops. I'm not as familiar with TAGs gear, the two pouches are nearly identical externally. The TAG is just a lot thinner. I was all over the CountyComm site and did not see a bag like this... maybe you are mistaken. <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> BTW: If you are not familiar with the TAG packs/bags how do you know they are a lot thinner?
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#66272 - 05/22/06 11:32 PM
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Cranky Geek
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I know that the TAG item is smaller becuase I can read. http://countycomm.com/minebag.htm They also call it an "EOD Utility Bag". Little taller, little wider, and a lot thicker. I should have noticed that your pouch didn't have the carry handle and d-rings. I'm suprised you didn't see it, it's been a very popular item for them for about six months now.
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#66273 - 05/23/06 12:04 AM
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Registered: 02/16/06
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Loc: Kingman AZ
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The way I look at it is if it works for you, meaning if you go out and practice with the stuff you bring and really use the stuff, and you are happy with it and it works for you, great. Looks to me like you've got a pretty compact do-able system. I'm not sure where you are located, but kits tend to be geographically oriented. I live in Arizona so my GoreTex Rain suit stays in the closet most of the time, but if I lived in the Pacific Northwest.... Good Job
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#66274 - 05/23/06 12:31 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 11/14/04
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I know that the TAG item is smaller becuase I can read. http://countycomm.com/minebag.htm They also call it an "EOD Utility Bag". Little taller, little wider, and a lot thicker. I should have noticed that your pouch didn't have the carry handle and d-rings. I'm suprised you didn't see it, it's been a very popular item for them for about six months now. Thanks! That does look like a nice bag.. You mean thickness as in width? Or the thickness of the MATERIAL(this is what I thought you meant) ? That bag is pretty big! I don't know if I would want to add that much weight. But it may serve another purpose <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#66275 - 05/23/06 12:34 AM
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The way I look at it is if it works for you, meaning if you go out and practice with the stuff you bring and really use the stuff, and you are happy with it and it works for you, great. Looks to me like you've got a pretty compact do-able system. I'm not sure where you are located, but kits tend to be geographically oriented. I live in Arizona so my GoreTex Rain suit stays in the closet most of the time, but if I lived in the Pacific Northwest.... Good Job Yeah, that's a big bonus as doubling the BOB as a camp/emergency pack... you get familiar with what you need and how to use everything.
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#66276 - 05/23/06 10:55 PM
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Registered: 05/23/06
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That looks a heckuva lot like a Maxpedition Baby Condor...am I right? I've got one myself, but in khaki. I also use mine as a BOB/camping/hiking pack, works really well.
I have to ask though, how did you manage to attach your knife and sheath to the side of the pack? I don't see any attachment points, did you sew it on?
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#66277 - 05/23/06 11:36 PM
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Cranky Geek
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Depth, front to back. As much as I want one, there are things more important to use money on at the moment. <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
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#66278 - 05/24/06 07:28 AM
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Pooh-Bah
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Depth, front to back. As much as I want one, there are things more important to use money on at the moment. Oh in that case - yes the one you mentioned is WIDER, and I think overall larger (height too). I could never carry that + the pack talk about stress on the back. That looks a heckuva lot like a Maxpedition Baby Condor...am I right? I've got one myself, but in khaki. I also use mine as a BOB/camping/hiking pack, works really well.
I have to ask though, how did you manage to attach your knife and sheath to the side of the pack? I don't see any attachment points, did you sew it on? No, this is bigger. Maxpedition Vulture II Pictured: Here KNife connects to the side attachment points... <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> knife spot is perfect.
Edited by ToddW (05/24/06 07:29 AM)
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#66279 - 05/24/06 07:57 AM
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Registered: 05/23/06
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Aha. Thanks for the link, that helps. Vulture 2 looks a sight bigger...and with waistbelt no less.
My pack is 2010 ci, yours is 2810...significant difference in volume. I was wondering how you jammed all that gear in there! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
I see the attachment points in the pic, schwanky. Mine's not quite that cool, but I did manage to mount my knife to one of the shoulder straps via TekLok. Very secure.
Good post and kit, Todd. Have to get some shots of mine up sometime.
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#66282 - 11/03/06 05:41 AM
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Pooh-Bah
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Bringing my old post up to update it. Items to add:-Hammock Rainfly or Tarp -- http://www.mosquitohammock.com/ ( 3x4 RAIN FLY ) -- http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductD...SHP_CAMPING_TOC ($$ but light and small) -Whistle -More paracord -Sewing Kit (EZ Stitch or something like that I forget the name, but I have one already with 6 spindles? of heavy duty thread) -Tweezers -Nalgene Bottle holder (replace current one) Existing one flops around to much for me, thi sone is more secure. http://www.tacticalassaultshop.com/cgist...id=4654235.2832-Paper & Pen/Pencil (Waterproof atleast 1) -Fishing Supplys (atleast a film canisters of trebbles) -Can Opener -UV Guard Zip Ties Items to remove:-MIOX (With the ability to boil water from 2 diff. containers, and also purify with the larger purifier quicker (instantly) and easier, and not require batteries, and the tablets I don't think the extra weight is needed nor the bulk or worry of needing batteries for it to run) Also since the last update I have purcahsed a mine bag from: http://countycomm.com/minebag.htmIt works great on my vehicle in my 20mm army can. With it FULL it's almot as wide as the army can and I can fit more than 1 in the can. Great modular system for tools, parts etc... I just wish it was 1 compartment and no "foo foo" stuff on it. I know there's more I want to add but at this time I can't think of anything.. suggestions?
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#66283 - 11/03/06 09:23 AM
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Stranger
Registered: 09/20/05
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Loc: Queensland, Australia
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Cool kit. Thanks for sharing.
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#66284 - 11/03/06 08:34 PM
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Geezer
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Loc: W. WA
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What's that outfit weigh?
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#66286 - 11/04/06 05:16 AM
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Carpal Tunnel
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How many lexan containers? www.wiggys.com has a 32 oz S/S unit with accessory cup. It's a nice unit for cold climes AND ON SALE. You can sit steel in a fire, not lexan, nice as it is. Your 3 knives; a Busse/Swamprat/Becker? a Chris Reeves and a Victorinox Rucksack? Isn't there a can opener on the SAK? Do you have any sharpening kit? www.ragweedforge.com $20 gets you a two sided diamond plate, ceramic stick and shipping. TP? Aside from the obvious task you can make a small coffeecan heater with TP and alcohol. Finally, a cheap addition for the vehicle itself. Go out EARLY this Sunday and borrow the sunday edition from some obnoxious nieghbor. Slip it under the seat. You now have emergency insulation, tinder, TP, relatively sterile ( inside pages) dressings and reading material.
Edited by Chris Kavanaugh (11/04/06 05:18 AM)
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#66287 - 11/04/06 05:45 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 11/14/04
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Loc: Mountains of CA
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How many lexan containers? www.wiggys.com has a 32 oz S/S unit with accessory cup. It's a nice unit for cold climes AND ON SALE. You can sit steel in a fire, not lexan, nice as it is. Your 3 knives; a Busse/Swamprat/Becker? a Chris Reeves and a Victorinox Rucksack? Isn't there a can opener on the SAK? Do you have any sharpening kit? www.ragweedforge.com $20 gets you a two sided diamond plate, ceramic stick and shipping. TP? Aside from the obvious task you can make a small coffeecan heater with TP and alcohol. Finally, a cheap addition for the vehicle itself. Go out EARLY this Sunday and borrow the sunday edition from some obnoxious nieghbor. Slip it under the seat. You now have emergency insulation, tinder, TP, relatively sterile ( inside pages) dressings and reading material. I have 1 Lexan Nalgene water bottle. The other containers are Titanium and super light. One of the titanium ones is rather large (cooking, boiling, etc) The other will be great for soup, and drinkign water from (or from lexan bottle) with water from the larger one. the larger one is almost not denting the size due to the fact that the stove and heaters fit inside. The larger knife on the side of the pack is a Ontario RAT-7 D2. The Chris Reeve's is worn on belt but figure'd id picture it. (This is one item I am debating removing due to it's weight and redundancy with the Rat-7 (wich I really really love the RAT-7 size, strength and #1 the "feel")) The Chriss Reve knife is VERY beefy but the round handle is very uncomfortable and makes your hand raw and hurts them in the cold even more. I was looking at getting the Chris Reeve Green Berret and seeing how I like that... I collect knives anyway so I'll end up with it some day <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> The SAK is a Forester I believe. good call on the can opener! (Although the one I added was the mil. tiny one that goes on your keychain so not that large but now I will remove it!!!) Great idea on the newspaper. As a kid I remember rolling up 2 pages really really tight for a longer lasting burn when we were starting a fire. A whole newspaper can go a ways. After reviewing my kit multiple times I realize there are a LOT of luxurious items while I could get by on a lot les for long-term it is nice to have a lot of these things for short-term usage... such as breaking down when 4wheeling and needing to spend a couple nights FIXING the vehicle... Thanks for replying Chris and if you have any other advice greatly apreciated.
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