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#64125 - 04/18/06 03:35 PM Re: personal info in a PSK??
paramedicpete Offline
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Probably the name, but for the most part the other information is not useful in the field. As stated many a time, if you have allergies or a medical condition, wear an appropriate Medical Alert tag or Medical Alert jewelry item. With rare exceptions, wallets, cell phones and other forms of information are frequently gathered by law enforcement. EMS will look for Medical Alert info and possible ICE, but rarely is it useful to spend the time looking/searching for other forms of information. Law enforcement and hospitals will generally look at the more discrete or “hidden” forms of information. Various EMS jurisdictions may have different SOPs/SOGs on looking for such information, so hearing from a few others EMS providers may be useful.

Pete

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#64126 - 04/18/06 04:23 PM Re: personal info in a PSK??
JIM Offline
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Registered: 03/18/06
Posts: 1032
Loc: The Netherlands
Do you think EMT's would give blood in the field? No, so bloodtype isn't likely to be used.
The name they will probably use.
I want to be a paramedic and if I see a patient with a dog-tag, I would probably use it's name and address.
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#64127 - 04/18/06 06:29 PM Re: personal info in a PSK??
M_a_x Offline
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Registered: 08/16/02
Posts: 1204
Loc: Germany
On this side of the pond the information on´the blood donor card is not considered to be reliable. Even when you have the blood fully typed there may be some sort of reaction. Hence the donated sample is cross checked with a sample of the recipient. The tests are fairly quick and cheap (compared with the costs of possible complications). So the card would not be used at all.
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#64128 - 04/18/06 08:56 PM Re: personal info in a PSK??
ironraven Offline
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Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 4642
Loc: Vermont
Pete, what about a bright red dog tag?

I used to carry copies of my tags laced into my boots, but I doubt they'd ever be noticed, so I stopped beating up the paracord I carry there.
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#64129 - 04/19/06 04:25 AM Re: personal info in a PSK??
haertig Offline
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Registered: 03/13/05
Posts: 2322
Loc: Colorado
"Do you think that EMTs would acknowledge information contained on a set of dog tags? (Name, blood type, SSN)"

Blood type is of negligible use, but name and SSN might be a goldmine for EMTs moonlighting in identity theft. <img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Back when I was a paramedic, if you were found unconscious or incoherant you'd get a quick search in the field of your ankles, wrists and neck for medic alert tags. No way would we go digging into you wallet. Too much risk of being accused of theft. That kind of search was left for in the hospital where at least two people from unrelated agencies would work together (as each others witness). I was accused of trying to steal some guy's tennis shoe at a car wreck scene once. The stupid family was actually irate that I had not held up my ambulance and searched the scene for the missing shoe "when I should have known he would want it back". I can't remember if the guy finally died or not ... but his injuries were very grave and he sure didn't care about his stupid shoe!

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#64130 - 04/19/06 04:43 AM Re: personal info in a PSK??
Alan_Romania Offline

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Registered: 06/29/05
Posts: 648
Loc: Arizona
I personally wouldn’t write down my SSN on anything I don’t have to. Your SSN is needed for billing, but if you are unresponsive or unable to answer billing can get it from the hospital later.

The information I would like to have available, even if you are responsive, in a written form (preferable typed) are:
  • Name (legal name)
  • DOB
  • Primary Care Physician
  • Medical History (include surgical history LAST)
  • Medications Currently Taking (including dose) only include OTC meds if you take them every day.
  • Allergies (and reactions)


Make a few copies, carry one on you, put one on the front of your refrigerator (bright yellow paper) and keep an extra copy safe.
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#64131 - 04/19/06 06:08 AM Re: personal info in a PSK??
massacre Offline
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Registered: 12/07/05
Posts: 781
Loc: Central Illinois
Actually, although we are so used to it that it hardly matters, SSNs were never intended to be used as tracking numbers. You can refuse to provide it for billing purposes. Your phone company doesn't need it and neither does you gas or electric company. They can look you up by many other methods in a database, this just makes it convenient for them.

If they refuse, ask them why they are demanding it. They can ask for it, but you don't have to give it (especially if you have alternatives for their services). http://www.privacy.ca.gov/sheets/cis4english.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_security_number

The fewer people who have it, the better. Even financial institutions aren't always secure: http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/06/news/fortune500/security_citigroup/
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#64132 - 04/19/06 01:38 PM Re: personal info in a PSK??
paramedicpete Offline
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Registered: 04/09/02
Posts: 1920
Loc: Frederick, Maryland
Most likely red dog tags would be examined closely, as some of the Medical Alert Tags I have seen are red. Keep in mind the information that is needed in the field if you are found unconscious should be geared to significant medical information. Here is a brief list of information (others may have better ideas) in an order that I would consider important and useful, of course there is a limit to the amount of info that can be placed on a tag:

Name
Date of Birth (DOB)
Medical Conditions (diabetes, COPD, asthma, etc.) that are of significance in an emergency or may have contributed to your current emergency
Drug allergies
Medications
Other allergies (food/tree/grass/etc.)

While am I a sure, others can think of other info and level of importance, I feel the above list would be adequate. With huge lists of meds or those that have changing lists of meds, rather then having those engraved, perhaps an attached list in a small plastic vial or sleeve.

Information like:
Contact info
Doctors
Address
Phone numbers
Etc.

Are not really critical to treatment in the field, such info can be carried in your wallet, purse, notebook, etc. and would be helpful to law enforcement and the hospital.

Pete

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#64133 - 04/19/06 02:33 PM Re: personal info in a PSK??
ironraven Offline
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Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 4642
Loc: Vermont
Odds are, I wouldn't get novacaine if I'm not communicating, but having found out the hard way how anaphelaxis feels, I'd like that to be known. Save everyone a lot of hassel.
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#64134 - 04/19/06 03:01 PM Re: personal info in a PSK??
paramedicpete Offline
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Registered: 04/09/02
Posts: 1920
Loc: Frederick, Maryland
True, but you could get lidocain in the field while in an unconscious state. Knowing you had an allergy to Novocain might direct/trigger a different treatment regime or a least a consult with Medical Control.

Pete

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