Equipped To Survive Equipped To Survive® Presents
The Survival Forum
Where do you want to go on ETS?

Page 4 of 5 < 1 2 3 4 5 >
Topic Options
#63777 - 04/14/06 12:58 PM Re: Airline self-defense
norad45 Offline
Veteran

Registered: 07/01/04
Posts: 1506
Even though jihadists don't seem to be the sharpest tools in the shed, I just don't see them trying for a 9-11 takeover-style attack again. They now face armed air marshals (on some flights), reinforced cockpit doors, and a far more belligerent passenger list. And aren't some pilots armed as well now? A bomb in the baggage compartment is the real threat.


Edited by norad45 (04/14/06 01:14 PM)

Top
#63778 - 04/14/06 03:11 PM Re: Airline self-defense
KR20 Offline
CEP
Member

Registered: 07/19/05
Posts: 105
Loc: Arizona
Yes we have armed pilots now, they aqre known as Fedreal Flight Deck Officers (FFDO).

20
_________________________
1*

Top
#63779 - 04/14/06 04:51 PM Re: Airline self-defense
Leigh_Ratcliffe Offline
Veteran

Registered: 03/31/06
Posts: 1355
Loc: United Kingdom.
Ah, now there I fear you are wrong. You are making a classic mistake here. These "jihadists" are highly intelligent, dedicated, devout muslims who are sacrificing their lives for what they consider to be the noblest of causes - the service of Allah and the defence of His Faith. It is an ugly fact that their faith is being hijacked & manipulated by O.B.L. and his minions for secular power. O.B.L. wants to set up a pan- Islamic state govened by Shara Law in strict accordance with the word of the Prophet. As determined by his Mullah's. (give you one guess as to which Mullah's) There is of course no room for dissent and anyone who dares to argue is defying Allah and must ofcourse be put to death. There are as many factions in Islam as there are in any other faith. The idea of religious tolerance and freedom of consiance( yes, I know I spelt that wrong) & speech, which is one of the cornerstones of The Free World is, of course, anthima and must be destroyed, along with all the Islamic sects that have taken sanctuary amonst us. It's one of the oddity's of religion that the more intelligent and devout the person, the easier they are to manipulate, unfortunately. If they were stupid, this fight would already be over. They ain't and it isn't.
_________________________
I don't do dumb & helpless.

Top
#63780 - 04/14/06 05:18 PM Re: Airline self-defense
Susan Offline
Geezer

Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
"If we are considering what if? as a 9.11 scenario be aware that you will provoke the hijacker(s) into a self-destruct sequence."

"Provoke" as opposed to what they've BEEN doing for the last 4.5 years? Or do you mean non-Islamic hijackers that just intend to commit suicide and take as many people with them as they can? Well, *I* don't do dumb and helpless if I can possibly avoid it.

Sue

Top
#63781 - 04/14/06 06:11 PM Re: Airline self-defense
Leigh_Ratcliffe Offline
Veteran

Registered: 03/31/06
Posts: 1355
Loc: United Kingdom.
I am simply making sure that everyone understands what the stakes are. In the best case scenario the hijacker(s) are overwhelmed in short order by passengers and crew. In the worsecase scenario when it becomes apparent that the hijackers are intent on another 9.11. If that happens you may be faced with choice of sitting still and dying or making them blow up or crash the aircraft. Personally I would, if I was the pilot, at the first hint of trouble, fly the aircraft at its maximum speed out to sea so that I can crash it into the deepest patch of ocean I can find. I would do this because I would take it as a given that they have a bio-weapon, chemical weapon, dirty bomb, plutonium dispersion weapon or whatever on board. And yes, your choices suck. The "I don't do dumb and helpless " bit is a family joke by the way.
_________________________
I don't do dumb & helpless.

Top
#63782 - 04/14/06 10:58 PM Re: Airline self-defense
norad45 Offline
Veteran

Registered: 07/01/04
Posts: 1506
"...highly intelligent, dedicated, devout muslims".

Devout they may be, but if they are anything like this buffoon then they don't scare me. And that goes double for his pal Richard Reid. He couldn't even light his shoe on fire for crapssake.

Maybe you are right. Maybe they are just stupid enough to try another plane takeover. We'll see what happens then.


Top
#63783 - 04/15/06 01:57 PM Re: Airline self-defense
Ors Offline
Namu (Giant Tree)
Addict

Registered: 09/16/05
Posts: 664
Loc: Florida, USA
Quote:
The first thing that comes to mind is 3-4 socks stuffed one inside the other, and filled with as many key sets and as much pocket change as I can scrounge up from other passengers.

According to my wife, my socks are a weapon by themselves after a few hours. Maybe it's time for some Odor Eaters <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
_________________________
Ors, MAE, MT-BC
Memento mori
Vulnerant omnes, ultima necat (They all wound, the last kills)

Top
#63784 - 04/15/06 01:59 PM Re: Airline self-defense
Ors Offline
Namu (Giant Tree)
Addict

Registered: 09/16/05
Posts: 664
Loc: Florida, USA
Quote:
Sneak into the toilet, rip out the toilet seat and use it as a boomerang - take out multiple targets with one throw !

That's a "crappy" idea. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
_________________________
Ors, MAE, MT-BC
Memento mori
Vulnerant omnes, ultima necat (They all wound, the last kills)

Top
#63785 - 04/15/06 02:14 PM Re: Airline self-defense
Ors Offline
Namu (Giant Tree)
Addict

Registered: 09/16/05
Posts: 664
Loc: Florida, USA
Quote:
Topics such as yours have become taboo in our post-9/11 world, especially on the Web, where privacy is an illusion.

Privacy is an illusion anyway, and "freedom of speech" is a misnomer. But at least we don't have rocket and mortar attacks in the streets. Lesser of the evils? <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

But as a song quipped, "when you choose the lesser of the evils, you always get something less and something evil" <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Even with all the problems though, I'm still proud to be an American, although the opinions of my government do not necessarily reflect the opinions of myself or my family <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
_________________________
Ors, MAE, MT-BC
Memento mori
Vulnerant omnes, ultima necat (They all wound, the last kills)

Top
#63786 - 04/15/06 02:18 PM Re: Airline self-defense
Ors Offline
Namu (Giant Tree)
Addict

Registered: 09/16/05
Posts: 664
Loc: Florida, USA
Quote:
It's getting to be a bit of a scary thing when kids in school don't understand the Bill or Rights or haven't ever heard of it.

The Bill of what?? <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
_________________________
Ors, MAE, MT-BC
Memento mori
Vulnerant omnes, ultima necat (They all wound, the last kills)

Top
Page 4 of 5 < 1 2 3 4 5 >



Moderator:  Alan_Romania, Blast, cliff, Hikin_Jim 
April
Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30
Who's Online
0 registered (), 520 Guests and 16 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
Explorer9, GallenR, Jeebo, NicholasMarshall, Yadav
5368 Registered Users
Newest Posts
Corny Jokes
by wildman800
04/24/24 10:40 AM
People Are Not Paying Attention
by Jeanette_Isabelle
04/19/24 07:49 PM
USCG rescue fishermen frm deserted island
by brandtb
04/17/24 11:35 PM
Silver
by brandtb
04/16/24 10:32 PM
EDC Reduction
by Jeanette_Isabelle
04/16/24 03:13 PM
New York Earthquake
by chaosmagnet
04/09/24 12:27 PM
Bad review of a great backpack..
by Herman30
04/08/24 08:16 AM
Our adorable little earthquake
by Phaedrus
04/06/24 02:42 AM
Newest Images
Tiny knife / wrench
Handmade knives
2"x2" Glass Signal Mirror, Retroreflective Mesh
Trade School Tool Kit
My Pocket Kit
Glossary
Test

WARNING & DISCLAIMER: SELECT AND USE OUTDOORS AND SURVIVAL EQUIPMENT, SUPPLIES AND TECHNIQUES AT YOUR OWN RISK. Information posted on this forum is not reviewed for accuracy and may not be reliable, use at your own risk. Please review the full WARNING & DISCLAIMER about information on this site.