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#6351 - 05/21/02 12:03 AM Basic Bag, Case, Box For 72hr kit

PW here,<br><br>I am looking for a way to store all my growing gear for a 72hr kit in a organized manner. I would like to use some kind of soft sided case whith some sort of adjustable dividers so I could get into and find what I need fast. (the kit will be for 2 adults + 1 toddler) Any ideas?<br><br>P.W. Martin<br>Pwmartin@gospeldefender.com<br>Are you set for the defense of the Gospel?<br>Visit: www.gospeldefender.com <br><br>Proverbs 26:4,5 "Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Or you will also be like him. Answer a fool as his folly deserves, That he not be wise in his own eyes."

#6352 - 05/21/02 02:23 AM Re: Basic Bag, Case, Box For 72hr kit
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
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Buy a good surplus flight bag and various colored stuff sacks. You can either mark, or go by a simple code; red for first aid, green for food, orange for signalling etc. Do your praying quietly, and in private- Book of kells

#6353 - 05/21/02 02:42 AM Re: Basic Bag, Case, Box For 72hr kit

Chris,<br><br> Thanks for the idea, That may be the way I go, right now I am looking at EMT type bags that I can use to sort the gear a bit, but I am being a bit picky.<br><br>BTW, intersting note about the 1200 year old copy of the four gospels, And you are corect, prayer in general is best done in private.<br><br>PW

Edited by Gospeldefender (05/21/02 02:46 AM)

#6354 - 05/21/02 01:28 PM Re: Basic Bag, Case, Box For 72hr kit
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You may want to look at the various book bag backpacks they sell for school. Most are inexpensive and the straps make them easy to carry if you are mobile.
Willie Vannerson
McHenry, IL

#6355 - 05/21/02 01:39 PM Re: Basic Bag, Case, Box For 72hr kit

Years ago someone told me a pack should be a bag full of bags. They proposed everything goes in a ziplock. They are clear so you can see the contents, they are resealable, they are watertight, they are odortight (used socks), and they are cheap. Since then I have used that idea whether I am loading a pack for a hike or a suitcase for a business trip. <br><br>I tend to put like supplies together into various sized ziplocks to make finding things easier. I have a sewing kit that has a pack of upholstery needles, pack of assorted size sewing needles, safety pins, spools of waxed thread, folding scissors, awl, buttons, thimble, needle threader, etc. All that stuff goes in a single quart ziplock. It keeps it all together and easy to find. Instead of rummaging around looking for the small needle package, I just pull out the ziplock of sewing stuff. <br><br>I can easily see whats inside each ziplock. Other family members who may not be as familiar with the packs can easily find stuff if I am unavailable. Similar use or items that would be used with each other are bagged together. For instance there is a plastic spoon and McD's packet of honey in the ziplock with the instant oatmeal. It I can find some hot water, pour the water in the ziplock and it becomes my bowl. When all through, the trash goes in the ziplock and clean up is done.<br><br>You can put as many ziplocks in a daypack as you need and not worry about running out of colors. If you need something, you can easily dump out the entire daypack and not worry about losing something. You know all the equipment is grouped together, it is easy to see, it wont get wet.<br><br>I keep thinking someday I will get some nylon stuff sacks and develop a system of color coding my equipment. Then I take my Sharpie maker and write on the outside of my ziplock "Sewing Kit". Or I am repacking my stuff and I notice through the ziplock that I only have 2 quarters and 2 dimes and think payphones no longer are $.10, why not replace with all quarters and a pre-paid phone card?<br><br>As to the type of container for the total 72 hour kit, I propose something that can be worn like a backpack. Duffels will work if the straps are long enough to be used like sholder straps. As some point you may have to carry this kit and I would perfer to have my hands free. I have a Rubbermaid tub that has 4 fanny packs, some water bottles, and tyvek coveralls. I can throw the Rubbermaid tub in the vehicle and move all the stuff in one motion. I know the contents wont get crushed and its all in there. If I have to abandon the vehicle, every family member can stuff a water bottle in the pouch on the side of the fanny pack, put on the tyvek coverall for basic protection, and snap the fanny pack around their waist. Protected, Portable, Complete.<br><br>A while back someone on another board had a 5 gallon plastic bucket contest. See what you can fit into a single 5 gallon bucket and make a theme kit. I was able to fit my daypack 72 hour kit into the bucket along with a couple of bottled waters. The bucket has a handle so can be carried, is crush proof, with the lid on can be watertight, bugproof, and is generic enough not to arouse suspision. If I grow tired of lugging the bucket, I can wear the daypack and use the bucket as a seat, something to collect berries or water, or leave behind with little concern. Ziplocks in a daypack in a bucket. A bag full of bags.

#6356 - 05/29/02 11:16 PM Re: Basic Bag, Case, Box For 72hr kit

Wow, this is hugely helpful to me resqman--I had the general concept, but your "bags in a bag" explanation is simple and precise. Thanks so much.<br><br>Robb.

#6357 - 05/30/02 01:44 PM Re: Basic Bag, Case, Box For 72hr kit

In my deployment pack for National Medical Response Team-WMD East, I packed everything in ziplock bags and tried to squeeze out the air. Unfortunately, the bags don't seal all that well. <br>I then packed the soft goods in packing bags with a dual seal and one way valve that I got from Brigade Quartermaster. They do hold the seal and don't "re-inflate" like zip locks do.<br>These are advertised on TV all of the time.<br>If I was not using this stuff so often, I would use my vacuum sealer that I use for the freezer and heat seal them after sucking all of the air out. Just too expensive to do with the frequent use I am getting out of the stuff lately.

#6358 - 05/30/02 04:47 PM Re: Basic Bag, Case, Box For 72hr kit

<br>> why not replace with all quarters and a pre-paid phone card?<br><br>Several reasons...<br>- Many phone companies and long distance resalers are facing troubling times. No guarantee that when you go to use the card that it will actually work.<br><br>- Some cards automagically deduct a portion of the balance if left inactive for a certain period of time.<br><br>- Coins can be used for both phone calls and as normal currency - dual purpose!<br><br>Keep the coins is my advice.<br><br>

#6359 - 05/30/02 05:26 PM Re: Basic Bag, Case, Box For 72hr kit

I agree that even if you squeeze all the air out of the ziplock, that most tend to leak and fluff back up to some degree. A vacumn packer is great for packing the stuff at home but once out in the field, they are difficult to reseal. Of course, you also need something to open the vacumn sealed bags while the ziplocks are self contained regarding opening and closing.<br><br>It might make sense to vacumm pack stuff in a BOB because they sit for long periods without use. By vacumn packing you reduce the chance of mold and bug investation. I would suggest keeping a few extra ziplocks to put stuff in once you break the vacumn seal. That way you can seal things back up to a lesser degree but still provide some basic water protection. <br><br>I recently used a vacumn packer to seal some bdu's before a trip. They got stiff as a board. Took up less space but became a hard item in my pack vs. a soft something up against my back. Less space, watertight, but less comfortable. Trade off.<br><br>I did use my vacumn packer to seal one 0000 steel wool pad, 1 book of matches, 3 squares of char cloth, some natural rope disassembled into a birds nest, and dryer lint in a package about 3"x5". I wanted all this tinder to be dry. The fact that the vacumn packer compresses everything made it small and helped protect the somewhat fragile char cloth. Actually made a few of these and gave them to members of my SAR team.

#6360 - 05/30/02 08:50 PM Re: Basic Bag, Case, Box For 72hr kit
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Solution to rock hard vacuum packed gear is not to draw down the vacuum quite so much. The difference in pack size is minimal, the difference in flexibility is significant.
Doug Ritter
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