#62425 - 03/20/06 11:27 PM
SAR 24hour Pack
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Registered: 01/05/06
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Loc: Montana
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I'm in the process of repacking my SAR pack, so I snapped a couple of pics. I'm mainly trying to make it smaller and lighter, but if there is anything important that I'm missing let me know. Contents: North Face 40liter pack Warmth & Shelter: Fox all weather jacket Fleece vest Pair of hiking socks Wool Hat Bandana Leather Gloves Kelty Lightyear +20 sleeping bag AMK Thermolite bivy Tube Tent Survival Blanket 4 heavy nails for stakes Black garbage sack Clear garbage sack 4 heat packs Medical: Aerie Level 1 FAK Heavy duty shears Wire Splint SAM Splint Sun screen Bug repellant Earplugs Contact lenses Contact lense case Eye drops Chapstick 2 MRE TP's 2 Hand wipes Fire & Signalling Orion 12ga flaregun 6 Flares Military glass signal mirror SDU-5/E Strobe w/ battery adaptor 2 Fusees Snap Light Mini-maglite Tikka headlight Brunton Crux Stove & fuel canister 2 Bic lighters Box of Storm matches Fire starter stick Candle Flagging roll Food & Water 2 32oz Nalgenes Camp Cup CammelBak 72oz StowAway 2 Freeze Dry meals MRE 3 Clif Bars 3 Granola Bars 4 Coffee singles 2 Gatorade mixes 10 MicroPur tabs 1 Pack of gum Tools and Other Shrade folding knife eTrex GPS Brunton Compass Acme Whistle Brunton Quadtool 3' Measuring tape Local Forest Service map SAR OPS Guide Technical Rescue Field Guide Pencil Rite-in-the-Rain Pen Rite-in-the-Rain Notepad 2 Quarters (NASAR packlist ??) 50' p-cord 2 Gear Biners 2 Climbing Carabiners 2 Prusik cords 15' Tubular webbing AMK UltraLight Gear Repair Kit Krazy Glue 5' Wire Motorola Talkabout FRS Radio Batteries Bendix King Clamshell loaded w/9 AA's 16 AA's 8 AAA's 2 CR123's for strobe The SAM splint is probably going to go, and hopefully the flaregun will be replaced with a .44mag. I did put the sun screen in a smaller bottle (BTW Coppertone Sport Gel burns like hand sanitizer). Other than that I'm open to suggestion. Thanks! Kevin NASAR Packlist
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#62426 - 03/20/06 11:52 PM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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Registered: 06/01/05
Posts: 375
Loc: Ohio
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Looks pretty impressive! I don't see a fixed blade knife and I think I would upgrade the folding knife to a better quality one. All I can think of at the moment.
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#62427 - 03/21/06 12:14 AM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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Registered: 03/19/05
Posts: 1182
Loc: Channeled Scablands
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You have a lot of stuff. Might need a bigger pack so all that gear doesn't dangle and get snagged on things. Here is a link to a gear list for winter SAR for the hasty teams in the Sierra Nevada. Take less, move faster and find that person quick. This list was put together a an ER Doc who has been a backcountry ranger as well. click on the gear list http://www.tahoenordicsar.com/Training/training.php
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#62428 - 03/21/06 12:17 AM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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Cranky Geek
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Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 4642
Loc: Vermont
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More water purification tablets, and maybe a second cup on the other nalgene.
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#62429 - 03/21/06 12:41 AM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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Registered: 01/29/01
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Loc: Illinois, USA
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First Off, what is the approx. weight?
2nd, What area and/or terrain will you be using it in?
Edited by tfisher (03/21/06 12:52 AM)
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#62430 - 03/21/06 12:59 AM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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Registered: 06/29/05
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Looks good! I try to get my crews to go through their packs completly twice a year and then after every exersize/mission. Taking pictures and making checklists help refit quicker <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> As other's have said I would upgrade your folding knife. I'd keep the SAM Splint, they are light enough. I'd loose the mini-mag light, your headlamp is brighter and more useful. You may want to replace it with something brighter for when you need the longer reach than the Tikka can give you. A Surefire would be nice, but there are cheaper alternatives out there! I'd also add some type of fire starter besides match or lighter. Something that works in any weather. I typically carry a lighter, lifeboat matches, and a magnesium fire starter. Have you looked into penflares in place of your flare gun? Orion 16.5mm Flare Launcher. Lighter and more compact than the flare gun and they work as well. What is your use for the Fusees? If you don't need full sized Fusees, there are much lighter and smaller non-aerial signal flare avalible, Mk13 Mod 0 Signal Flare/Smoke work awesome... but if you need the burn time of the Fusees, there is really no subsitue readily avaible. If you don't already have one in you kit, add the programing button for the Bendix King radio...
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#62432 - 03/21/06 01:08 AM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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Registered: 01/29/01
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Loc: Illinois, USA
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First look I woul remove wire splint and books (OPS Guide) maybe off load fusees to team equipment
I would add a folding saw water purify tabs or (more water treatment) maybe MIOX some type of sleep pad
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#62433 - 03/21/06 01:18 AM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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Registered: 01/05/06
Posts: 37
Loc: Montana
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My guess is it weighs around 45lbs w/ water.
I use it both for SAR and hiking daytrips. It is always in my truck. I live in south western Montana, so we have mostly mountainous terrain. Alot of our searches are on or near National Forest Land. I also strap the pack to my fourwheeler when we do ATV searches.
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#62435 - 03/21/06 01:30 AM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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Registered: 01/29/01
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Loc: Illinois, USA
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I think you are pretty well covered, maybe titanium cookware, saves a little weight.
If you travel in teams,,,,,,,,,,, we always had team gear that we would divide up to share the burden, that way we didn't have 5 of everything like sam splints etc.
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#62436 - 03/21/06 02:04 AM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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Registered: 01/05/06
Posts: 37
Loc: Montana
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I'm looking to upgrade knives, the Shrade was a freebe. Any recomendations on a good knife for SAR use?
I just put a rolled wire splint into the FAK to take the place of the SAM. Not as good but a whole lot smaller. Also if it is a known medical call I have a more comprehensive FAK that fits under the pack lid, more weight though.
I agree, a LED light would be better, but the mini-mag is cheap and counts for a second light source on the NASAR pack list.
The fusees are the wildland fire fighting backfiring tourches. They are my all weather fire starter. Alot of the SAR members are also volunteer fire fighters, so they are in alot of packs around here. They do have some signalling capabilities, but they only burn for about 5-10 minutes and drip alot of flaming material.
I'm thinking about not having any aerial flares in the pack. I bought the flaregun with the thought that it would be a good attractant during searches, but after some extensive testing on New Year's Eve, I'm not too impressed. (they do make excellent fire starters though <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />) I guess has anyone had any experiences using aerial flares during searches?
As far as the BK radio goes I use the Leatherman programming method <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Gotta love them Bendix Kings, put a 17" whip antenna on them and they are perfect for searches.
Thanks for the great advice!!!
Kevin
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#62438 - 03/21/06 04:12 AM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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Registered: 12/07/05
Posts: 781
Loc: Central Illinois
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Don't have any advice for SAR kit, just wanted to say I'm still salivating. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Any idea on cost for putting something like that together? And just out of curiousity, do you folks in SAR have to buy your own kit or is all/some of it provided?
Nice pics. One thing I guess I was surprised isn't on the list is some duct tape (like the orange variety) and maybe a hand chain saw.
Also, do you have the clothing rolled in one of those waterproof bags that you roll up to get all the air out? Seems like that has to be a big part of the bulk and the jacket/fleece/socks could get wet if dunked.
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#62439 - 03/21/06 04:34 AM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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Registered: 06/29/05
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Loc: Arizona
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Most SAR members buy their own kits. Most team supply radios, medical gear, and some tech gear, however many SAR guys like to have their own stuff. A converstaion with Doug the other day made me question how much I have invested in my 24 Hour Kit; not including ALS medical gear, but including radio and I was looking at almost $3500 (retail)! I know many of my crews have built kits costing significantly less. I started to build up a quality 24 Hour Kit as cheap as I could as an example for initial training a few years ago, need to finish that project. [color:"red"] Here is my 24 Hour Search Kit contents! [/color]
Edited by romania (03/21/06 05:21 AM)
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#62440 - 03/21/06 04:46 AM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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Registered: 01/05/06
Posts: 37
Loc: Montana
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Costwise: North Face Pack $70 Fox Jacket $90 Fleece Vest $30 Kelty Sleeping Bag $120 AMK Bivy $20 FAK $40 Food $30 Flaregun & Flares $40 Tikka Headlight $30 Brunton Stove $80 Garmin GPS $100 Brunton Compass $40 2 Climbing Carabiners $20 AMK Gear Repair Kit $20 Total $730 (thats not counting the BK radio that is worth more than my fourwheeler <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />)
I pay for it all out of my own pocket, but keep in mind I also use this equipment for much more than just SAR.
Thanks for bringing up duct tape. It's lacking in that department with only a small roll in the repair kit. I'm gonna look for stuff that I can wrap a few feet around. Where can one find orange duct tape?
Handsaw is on the want list along with a new knife.
I keep the socks, bandana, and gloves in a ziplock bag, but the jacket and vest pack much better loose. The sleeping bag is also kept in a dry bag.
Thanks again for the duct tape reminder!!!
Kevin
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#62441 - 03/21/06 05:29 AM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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Registered: 12/07/05
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Loc: Central Illinois
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I just bought a roll the other day at Wal-Mart in Orange. They had quite a selection actually, but I still didn't see the Gorilla Tape that D.R. recommends for his aviation kit (I didn't have great luck with the glue, but I want to at least give the tape a try). The Gorilla stuff only comes in black as far as I've read. The regular old duct tape in Orange seems decent enough. You're welcome... I was just running over the list and I didn't realize there was any in the repair kit.
$730, not bad for such a compact survival kit. Really, it has a lot of good BOB qualities, maybe with a bit more water and food, it's better than most! <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#62442 - 03/21/06 05:34 AM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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Registered: 07/19/05
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Loc: Arizona
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I found the Gorilla Tape at my local Home Depot.
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#62443 - 03/21/06 05:36 AM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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Registered: 02/03/06
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Loc: TEXAS (where else?)
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WallyMart carries Duck brand duct tape in quite a few colors (great for that "factory" look when repairing the ranch truck vinyl seats), including dayglo orange and yellow. Tearing off 1"x2" strips and folding over twigs and weeds would be a good way to mark trails or directions. Could also write notes on tape and leave on eye level branches for others.
You'll find it in the paint section.
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#62446 - 03/21/06 02:27 PM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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Cranky Geek
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 4642
Loc: Vermont
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Only one half liter bottle? Is there a bladder or other nalgenes I missed?
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#62447 - 03/21/06 03:06 PM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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Registered: 03/18/06
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Loc: The Netherlands
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Its a very good kit, but I have my concernes about that flare-gun. I thought that those flares are not designed for save over land use? Maybe you should replace it with Winderness XLT or a laser-flare? You should also add a flint&steel or blastmatch and some waterproof tinder ( those firesticks are not easy to lite with a spark)
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#62449 - 03/21/06 03:47 PM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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I would recommend the Spyderco Delica 4 folding knife. If you prefer a Swiss Army knife, I would go with the One-handed Trekker which has a blade, a saw, and screwdrivers (those always come in handy when you work with ATVs and other pieces of machinery).
I feel a fixed-blade might add too much weight and be cumbersome in SAR operations. Honestly, any knife that will cut through thick rope and clothes is fine (which is why I recommended the Spyderco Delica in the first place).
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#62450 - 03/21/06 05:28 PM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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Posts: 375
Loc: Ohio
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do you have a link for that Fox Jacket? I have not heard of that particular line. thanks
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#62451 - 03/21/06 07:04 PM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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Loc: Montana
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#62452 - 03/21/06 09:17 PM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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The kit looks very impressive. How about water? When you get thirsty, do you think you will have time to stop to find some water and then purify it? And what about food? I also made my kit about hald a year ago, but the main reason was to store everthing important in one place. So, I have plenty of water in my kit (at least 9 litres, yes, it is heavy), many military rations (I read a book where auther recommended buying food for camping in bulk for at least half a year, so I decided to follow the advice), fixed blade Muela knife, extra meths for the burner, batteries, filter, compass, some warm clothing I do not use, tablets, etc. But my main kit is in another smaller bag which I carry for hiking. It is actually assembled rucksack which has everything for 1 day hike so when I have some free time I take the rucksack and head out to countryside. When I come back, I remove waste, refill water bottle, add rations, meths, clean etc., i.e. make it ready for the next time. This way it is always ready. Actually, it is quite handy because I do not waste time collecting things just before I leave, so I can walk longer on countryside.
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#62453 - 03/21/06 09:42 PM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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Registered: 12/14/05
Posts: 988
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Some thoughts from a beginner;
2nd, lightwieght knife
Replace flarge gun with a strobe ( like a kayaker uses)
Replace one naglene with a filter bottle
Add reflective patches to the pack/ clothing
Add flagging tapesunglasses, nylon ballcap, perm marker
What do you wear/ carry in your pockets with this kit?
TRO?
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#62455 - 03/21/06 10:45 PM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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Loc: Illinois, USA
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Well said Paramedicpete......
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#62458 - 03/22/06 03:49 PM
Re: SAR 24hour Pack
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WallyMart carries Duck brand duct tape in quite a few colors At our WM, the orange duct tape comes in a flat roll and is in with the hunting supplies, not with the rest of the duct tape.
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