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#62445 - 03/21/06 02:19 PM Re: SAR 24hour Pack
paramedicpete Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 04/09/02
Posts: 1920
Loc: Frederick, Maryland
Very nice set up. Personally, I would keep the SAM splint and ditch the wire splint. SAMs are very versatile and more comfortable for the patient.

Pete

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#62446 - 03/21/06 02:27 PM Re: SAR 24hour Pack
ironraven Offline
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Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 4642
Loc: Vermont
Only one half liter bottle? Is there a bladder or other nalgenes I missed?
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#62447 - 03/21/06 03:06 PM Re: SAR 24hour Pack
JIM Offline
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Registered: 03/18/06
Posts: 1032
Loc: The Netherlands
Its a very good kit, but I have my concernes about that flare-gun. I thought that those flares are not designed for save over land use?
Maybe you should replace it with Winderness XLT or a laser-flare?
You should also add a flint&steel or blastmatch and some waterproof tinder ( those firesticks are not easy to lite with a spark)

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#62448 - 03/21/06 03:44 PM Re: SAR 24hour Pack
paramedicpete Offline
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Registered: 04/09/02
Posts: 1920
Loc: Frederick, Maryland
I own several (each size) of the Greatland laser rescue flares and have had the opportunity to use them in training with the Maryland State Police Medivac Helicopters. One limitation we found is the user must be in line of sight with the helicopter, unlike a conventional aerial flare that can be used through the tree line to catch the attention of the crew.

The current models, while sending out a line pattern of laser light that appears to be a line from the users advantage point, is only seen as a point of laser light by the "attractee" (helicopter). In a few of our test runs, we the ground crew could not clearly identify the actual/relative location of the helicopter and therefore did not know where to aim the laser.

I know the green lasers were not perused for retail sales, which would have provided more options. I have seen their prototype green laser set up in a large hand held flashlight configuration and was quite impressed with the intensity of the line, but the cost and general weight of the light makes it prohibitive for most.

Still great products.

Pete

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#62449 - 03/21/06 03:47 PM Re: SAR 24hour Pack
SARbound Offline
Addict

Registered: 06/08/05
Posts: 503
Loc: Quebec City, Canada
I would recommend the Spyderco Delica 4 folding knife. If you prefer a Swiss Army knife, I would go with the One-handed Trekker which has a blade, a saw, and screwdrivers (those always come in handy when you work with ATVs and other pieces of machinery).

I feel a fixed-blade might add too much weight and be cumbersome in SAR operations. Honestly, any knife that will cut through thick rope and clothes is fine (which is why I recommended the Spyderco Delica in the first place).
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#62450 - 03/21/06 05:28 PM Re: SAR 24hour Pack
7k7k99 Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 06/01/05
Posts: 375
Loc: Ohio
do you have a link for that Fox Jacket? I have not heard of that particular line.
thanks

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#62451 - 03/21/06 07:04 PM Re: SAR 24hour Pack
hailstone Offline
Newbie

Registered: 01/05/06
Posts: 37
Loc: Montana

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#62452 - 03/21/06 09:17 PM Re: SAR 24hour Pack
Omega Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 11/10/03
Posts: 77
The kit looks very impressive.
How about water? When you get thirsty, do you think you will have time to stop to find some water and then purify it?
And what about food?
I also made my kit about hald a year ago, but the main reason was to store everthing important in one place. So, I have plenty of water in my kit (at least 9 litres, yes, it is heavy), many military rations (I read a book where auther recommended buying food for camping in bulk for at least half a year, so I decided to follow the advice), fixed blade Muela knife, extra meths for the burner, batteries, filter, compass, some warm clothing I do not use, tablets, etc.
But my main kit is in another smaller bag which I carry for hiking. It is actually assembled rucksack which has everything for 1 day hike so when I have some free time I take the rucksack and head out to countryside. When I come back, I remove waste, refill water bottle, add rations, meths, clean etc., i.e. make it ready for the next time. This way it is always ready.
Actually, it is quite handy because I do not waste time collecting things just before I leave, so I can walk longer on countryside.

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#62453 - 03/21/06 09:42 PM Re: SAR 24hour Pack
teacher Offline
Old Hand

Registered: 12/14/05
Posts: 988


Some thoughts from a beginner;

2nd, lightwieght knife

Replace flarge gun with a strobe ( like a kayaker uses)

Replace one naglene with a filter bottle

Add reflective patches to the pack/ clothing

Add flagging tapesunglasses, nylon ballcap, perm marker

What do you wear/ carry in your pockets with this kit?

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#62454 - 03/21/06 09:46 PM Re: SAR 24hour Pack
paramedicpete Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 04/09/02
Posts: 1920
Loc: Frederick, Maryland
Keep in mind the main purpose of a 24hr SAR pack is somewhat different then a hiking/camping pack or BOB. Its role is primarily to a get rescuer/searcher through a 24hr (+) period of time in a self-sufficient manner, to be able to take care of him or herself remotely for the first 24hrs(+) of a SAR mission, possibly provide basic life support for a victim and in some cases technical rescue equipment. Hopefully, the Searcher/Rescuer does not become lost/isolated or a victim himself or herself. Most teams work in groups, where they can pool resources and often have re-supply somewhere in the operation.

Each team/jurisdiction will have parameters, generally similar in nature, for the search/rescue personnel in terms of how often they must return to a staging area for rehabilitation and re-supply. Of course current environment and weather conditions will play an important role in how much to pack, but loading one’s pack with a lot of extras can reduce one’s effectiveness in conducting a search and possible rescue operation. Think light and efficient.

Just my 2 cents-
Pete

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