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#48627 - 09/15/05 12:45 AM Re: My little sister said RE:guns in an NOLA situa
OrangeJoe Offline
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Registered: 08/22/04
Posts: 38
Loc: Old Colony, USA
A good point all people who carry tools should soberly consider is hereI'm scared but I don't really want to hurt him...

I think we all should print it out and give a copy to our " little sisters".

benjammin, one of the best posts I've read, ever. Congrats.

CJK,
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My thought is this....if you have a firearm and you pull it out...LTL or not....it is CAPABLE of and generally seen as LETHAL force. If you want LTLONLY then go completely LTL.

There are new tasers available for use that work even on drug hyped perps. Even the manufacturer of that says that it is for deployment at the 15-20 ft range. That is well within the the lethal range of 21 feet that officers are advised on. So if someone is with range of the taser and they have a knife......lethal force is justified. Many have said that the taser is good for those who CAN"T go with a firearm or for those who Won't (for whatever reason).


Probably a good tool in the toolbox of those who can't go with a gun. Still, pain compliance in general has great limitations, this one is a good example:
Lies, dammned lies and the Myotron

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#48628 - 09/15/05 01:11 AM Re: My little sister said RE:guns in an NOLA situa
CJK Offline
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Registered: 08/14/05
Posts: 601
Loc: FL, USA
Let me back up and just say this.....I believe in the right to keep and bear arms....I believe in the right to use force (lethal if necessary) to protect oneself. I will not be using LTL items to defend from lethal force. I was just suggesting that for those people who CAN'T or WON'T use lethal force...the taser is an option.

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#48629 - 09/16/05 01:59 AM Re: My little sister said RE:guns in an NOLA situation
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I did a bit of research and came up with this:

I have a 225g can of Bear Pause, contents 0.98% Capsaicin;

I have a 22 g can of Black Max Dog Repellent , contents 5% Oleoresin Capsicum (OC) & 0.5% Capsaicin

Fox Labs International web site states: 2% OC & 5% OC

According to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

web page

the Scoville rating for Capsaicin can be as high as 16 000 000
whereas for OC it will reach 5 300 000

So the bear spray would indeed be very nasty if used on a human.

“In large quantities, capsaicin can be a lethal poison. Symptoms of overdose include difficulty breathing, blue skin, and convulsions.” Wikipedia It is not clear however if this can occur from inhalation .

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