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#34105 - 11/15/04 01:16 PM Re: Flashlight came in handy (long reply)
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D Cell maglights in the upper echelon of throw?

MAYBE a magcharger, or MAYBE I've been hanging with the wrong crowd - but a friend pulled out his 6 D mag the other day for a bright light. I laughed - Pulled out the 9p from my pocket and kept working
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#34106 - 11/15/04 05:18 PM Re: Flashlight came in handy
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I was thinking about the Nuwai when you mentioned it, but I tihnk it really pushes the limit on how small I want my flashlight. While I haven't tried it out (heck, have I tried anything out?), I'm not sure I want something that compact. I can deal with a MM-size light.

Just wondering -- would you Surefire owners say that their line is more waterproof than that of a comparable MagLite? Just wondering.

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#34107 - 11/15/04 07:39 PM Re: Where/When/Why I use flashlights (short versio
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Registered: 11/14/03
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Loc: Milwaukee, WI USA
Mr_Dead

Are you saying the lights are usually shot out by handguns and have all kinds of drug dealers hanging around them? <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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#34108 - 11/16/04 02:49 AM Re: Flashlight came in handy (long reply)
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Loc: Upper Mississippi River Valley...
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D Cell maglights in the upper echelon of throw?

MAYBE a magcharger, or MAYBE I've been hanging with the wrong crowd - but a friend pulled out his 6 D mag the other day for a bright light. I laughed - Pulled out the 9p from my pocket and kept working


No doubt. And the total light output from a 9P exceeds that of a Mag. But the Mag probably had half dead batteries - that seems to be typical of Mags in use. Surefire users that I know, myself included, change to fresh batteries at the first hint of less-than-blinding-light and figure out some other use for the used lithiums, usually in a regulated LED light.

Probably a standard Mag bulb in the 6-D. So the 9P has a brighter beam (although changing bulbs in the Mag would equalize that - both are 9v lights, eh?).

However, I was stating a fact about throw, and I'll stand by what I said, because the facts are well established: 3,4, and 6 cell D Mags are in the upper echelon of the universe of conventional flashlights for THROW distance of the beam, especially the 4 and 6 cell versions. Not the very top, but in the upper echelon.

I'm hardly a mag fan, but I give them their due.

The 9P (a three-cell version of the standard 2 cell 6P, for those readers who are wondering what it is) is an awesome little blaster, particularly for its size. Incredible amount of light. But not known for throw - it's stuck with the cute little 6P reflector - the M3 handily outthrows it (and a 4 cell D Mag out throws an M3, and a 3 D Mag exactly equals an M3 for throw). Which would I rather have? The 9P (actually, the 6P if I have a choice), no question about it.

All things remaining equal - bulb voltage and available amperage - the biggest reflector throws the farthest. The stochiastic Surefire reflectors remove beam artifacts and give a more even beam - but they are also not as efficient as the bigger & smooth Mag reflectors - can't be; not possible; would violate physical laws.

Again, I prefer the Surefire, but back to throw - the big Mags are waaay up there. Few flashlights by anyone are in that range. Yellow beams, ugly beam artifacts, and made by a company that now apparently prefers to "inovate" by litigation... but they reach out there. And they're cheap and rugged.

Is your 9P an original run or did you get one of the re-issues? Good deal either way. Very classy light; I'd be proud of the little powerhouse, too. Personally, I'm kinda stuck on the 2-cell stuff - I really like the size/proportions of the 2 CR 123 cell lights. OTOH, if someone wanted to gift me a 9P... <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Regards,

Tom

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#34109 - 11/16/04 01:55 PM Re: Flashlight came in handy
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Registered: 10/30/04
Posts: 34
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I was thinking about the Nuwai when you mentioned it, but I tihnk it really pushes the limit on how small I want my flashlight. While I haven't tried it out (heck, have I tried anything out?), I'm not sure I want something that compact. I can deal with a MM-size light.


Ok. I have yet to hear a Q-III owner complain about it's being too small- hard to see the downside of that- but whatever you're comfortable with.

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Just wondering -- would you Surefire owners say that their line is more waterproof than that of a comparable MagLite? Just wondering.


I don't really know, but I'd guess they're comparable. The both use similar systems of tubes twisting over o-ring seals (actually, the stock L4 doesn't twist), and they both seem to compress the o-rings to a similar degree. I haven't worried too much about that.. beyond rain or an accidental dunking I don't anticipate it being a factor. Not planning on swimming long distances or diving with one.

By contrast, I bought one of the new Chinese 2AA 3W Luxeon lights coming out now:



and while it's built like a tank (reminds me of Russian engineering), it has no o-rings or seals at all. The fit of parts is tight enough that it would take more than getting rained on to bother it, I think, but obviously it's going to leak under any pressure or serious immersion.

Not a bad light for $39- very bright, pretty tight Lux 3 level beam, excellent tint, good switch with a real momentary, and feels bombproof- but too big for pocket carry (some edges are way too sharp anyway), and obviously not very waterproof. This one is currently hanging beside the back door for quick access to investigate goings-on in the yard at night.
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#34110 - 11/16/04 03:24 PM Re: Flashlight came in handy
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It looks like someone liked the Surefire design...

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#34111 - 11/16/04 10:21 PM Re: Drop-in LED replacements
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Registered: 12/18/02
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Loc: France
Thanks.

I had a look at the Maxstar2 and the resulting beam is not what I'm looking for.
So ... exit the 2 D Maglite...

I think I will be able to resist the urge to buy a SF L2, but ....
.. I have found a french retailler where other goodies are available, ie :
- Nuwai Q3 : just to compare with my 6P or G2 (the only thing I don't like it's their delicate bulbs...)
- Inova 24/7 : I have been looking for it for a long time....
- Nightstar2 : to actually see what kind of beam it gives and as a gift for my uncle (physics professor), once I will have played a bit with ;
- CMG/Gerber Bonfire Blaze : because they are not too expensive and because I will actually use it !! It should be perfect inside my Hennessy Hammock.

Except for the Gerber light, every other light will cost about or more than twice the US price !!! So I will only buy one of each ... for testing purpose.

If I need more, I guess I will order from your side ... even with shipping fees and various taxes, it will be cheaper. But I don't want all the hassle just for one light.


BTW : anybody knows 1 web shop, where I could buy all those different lights (up to now, I have found them scattered on different on-line shops..) ??
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#34112 - 11/17/04 02:07 AM Re: Drop-in LED replacements
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Registered: 12/10/01
Posts: 1272
Loc: Upper Mississippi River Valley...
Alain,

I don't know of a place that carries all those lights. Check with the folks on Candle Power Forums... I guess you aren't coming across the pond in the near future on business, or we could figure out something simple. Pity to have to pay the extra costs involved.

Since you already have a Surefire 6P, couldn't you put a KL-5 head on it and have something like an L4? Just a thought - albeit an expensive thought...

Regards,

Tom


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#34113 - 11/17/04 01:16 PM Re: Drop-in LED replacements
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Registered: 10/30/04
Posts: 34
As far as I know, there is only one retailer importing the Quantum III into the US... but I bought my two from the "B/S/T" forum on candlepower, shipped direct from Korea, for less than that retailer charges. Apparently it had no problems getting through customs.

I don't know any reason it wouldn't work the same way to France.
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#34114 - 11/17/04 07:04 PM Re: Drop-in LED replacements
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Registered: 12/18/02
Posts: 1320
Loc: France
well.... my pb is not to have an good LED light or a powerful bulb light : I want BOTH in the same package (hence the urge to buy a SF L2.....)

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