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#34045 - 11/10/04 02:47 AM Re: Flashlight came in handy
Paul810 Offline

Registered: 03/02/03
Posts: 1428
Loc: NJ, USA
Paul: A surefire came in handy?! Not possible! They're horrible for emergency use!

(sorry, that was a little jab about an earlier conversation )

When you are in a pitch black 1,000 seat auditorium with a classroom full of teenagers, more then 10 of which are atleast 10 feet off the ground, some as high as 25 feet you need a Surefire, a maglight would not have been anywhere near bright enough to get everyone together quickly and safely. The light was bright enough that I was shining it on the ceiling and it lit up the whole stage and front of the set, absolutely perfect. Take that whoever said it was horrible for emergency use. I paid $140 for this light and at that moment it paid for itself. <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

#34046 - 11/10/04 04:55 AM Re: Flashlight came in handy

I am assuming the batteries are, then, replaceable -- just as the batteries are replaceable in a Mag-Lite. If it uses Li batteries, why can't you just recharge the batteries?

#34047 - 11/10/04 05:02 AM Re: Flashlight came in handy

What's the difference between an L2 Aviator and the Aviator Brenner? (On the messer forum)

I'm also assuming that if I'm going to pay $150 for a flashlight from Surefire, I should just go with one of their LED models?

Also, what are some of the differentiating factors between an A2 and an L4?

Thanks so much... sorry for the newbish questions.

#34048 - 11/10/04 05:36 AM Re: Flashlight came in handy
AyersTG Offline

Registered: 12/10/01
Posts: 1272
Loc: Upper Mississippi River Valley...
CR 123 Lithium cells are not rechargable batteries. There are several different chemistry Lithium cells on the market now. Some of the rechargables need real care to avoid severe problems when charging - hence, almost all Li cell chargers use some form of processor control and/or there are some electronics actually built into some cells.

CR 123 cells are suitable for long term storage (10 years or more). But all rechargables self-discharge over time - much faster than CR 123 or L 92 cells.

HTH clear up the confusion.


#34049 - 11/10/04 09:03 AM Re: Flashlight came in handy

Mr Dead,
Thank you for your verbose reply. One other question: how does the switch work on your L4?


#34050 - 11/10/04 01:33 PM Re: Flashlight came in handy
Mr_Dead Offline

Registered: 10/30/04
Posts: 34
Thank you for your verbose reply.

Hmm. Verbose, huh?

One other question: how does the switch work on your L4?

Pretty well. (Trying to stay succinct here, you understand). <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Ok, sorry, couldn't resist.

The L4 is atypical of Surefire in that it comes stock with a "clicky" switch, which is just push for momentary, push harder for on/off, very intuitive and natural. I liked it.

So, I changed it. Since my last posts I've received and installed a "McGizmo" Aleph tailswitch (McE2S), which gives me two brightness settings, a "low" that is sufficient for short-range work, walking in the dark, or reading a page, and the previous full-out "high".

In momentary mode they may be accessed as before- push the button for low, push harder for high- but for constant-on the cap is twisted.. twist for low, twist further for high.

Generally real-world reports on the stock L4 show about 1.5-2 hours on full power (regulated) before the light starts to diminish, and about the same time of diminishing brightness before it's no longer useful. I haven't tested it yet, but based on info linked to from the candlepowerforums, I expect something in the 8-10 hour range on low.

It increases the usefulness of the light quite a bit.

#34051 - 11/10/04 04:52 PM Re: Flashlight came in handy

It does help. Thank you.

#34052 - 11/10/04 04:52 PM Re: Flashlight came in handy

What model did you order?

#34053 - 11/10/04 08:27 PM Re: Flashlight came in handy

Mr Dead,
My interpritation of verbose is elaborate. I meant to thank you. But read on dictionary.com that it can also mean the use of excessive words <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Sorry for that.


#34054 - 11/10/04 08:37 PM Re: Flashlight came in handy
Mr_Dead Offline

Registered: 10/30/04
Posts: 34

No apologies necessary. It's certainly no the first time that characteristic has been pointed out to me, and I did not take it as an insult, or very seriously, it was just ambiguous enough to make a joke of it. I apologize if it caused you any embarrassment.

If English is not your native language, then you are to be complimented on your mastery.

I hope the explanations are of some use to you, and I will of course endeavor ("endeavour", where you are) to answer questions to the best of my ability, and I don't mind, but almost everything I know came from perusing the candlepowerforums.com forums for a few weeks. If you continue to be interested in the subject, that's the real source of information.


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