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#30536 - 08/20/04 03:55 PM Re: ambulances use in terror-Get a grip people!
bountyhunter Offline


Registered: 11/14/03
Posts: 1224
Loc: Milwaukee, WI USA
Glock-a-Roo:

Pre 9/11, complicity with hijackers was advocated by the majority of politically correct (The media didn't want to hear "Fight to the death" advice from those who knew better.) security advisers as the way to survive hijackings without injury.

Post 9/11 mindset for most people today is "Hell, if I'm going to die, I may as well fight for my life". There are still too many PHRASECENSOREDPOSTERSHOULDKNOWBETTER. out there who still don't get it and never will. Because of that, we are going to end up being farmed like sheep by the moneyed interests who don't care squat about anything except their bottom line.

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#30537 - 08/20/04 08:13 PM Re: ambulances use in terror-Get a grip people!
frenchy Offline
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Registered: 12/18/02
Posts: 1320
Loc: France
Quote:
Tom Clancy even flew a 747 into the White House in one of his books. (The one just before Executive Orders. The title escapes me just now).

Is it "Debt of honor" or something like that ..??...
I can't find it in my library
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#30538 - 08/20/04 09:52 PM Re: ambulances use in terror-Get a grip people!
aardwolfe Offline
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Registered: 08/22/01
Posts: 923
Loc: St. John's, Newfoundland
One might order a home-built kit to be delivered to a street address, but Cessna does not build or sell airplane kits.

I really question how much damage a terrorist could do with a Cessna. And what kind of Cessnas were they? A C172, for example, could barely get off the ground with 4 passengers.

Were they new or used? The only ones you could buy "off the Internet" would likely be used ones, I think.

I wish the original poster had posted a link to the actual article, or at least copied the article for us to read. Like you, I have a hard time taking this "threat" seriously.
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#30539 - 08/21/04 05:27 AM Re: ambulances use in terror-Get a grip people!
Anonymous
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Bountyhunter brought up the question of why they don't hire the work done.

Not to rant on "Middle-Eastern-looking men", but if you considered white people as infidels, would you trust them or their information? I'll bet space aliens wouldn't! (As long as movies are being brought up, what about "Mars Attacks"??? -- heeheeheeheehee!) <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Sorry. Too much root beer tonight....

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#30540 - 08/21/04 11:35 AM Re: ambulances use in terror-Get a grip people!
Anonymous
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That's the one. Thanks

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#30541 - 08/21/04 02:17 PM Re: ambulances being cased in NY for use in terrorism?
THIRDPIG Offline
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Registered: 11/26/01
Posts: 81
Well thanks for the heads up.However this is something we've been told many times over the past few years.

Its sog in my dept that once we hit "orange" and above no rigs are to be left unattended.

But then again one can buy a used fire truck or ambulance pretty cheap so the need to steal them,and thus put everyone on alert,would seem to be they thing not to do.

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#30542 - 08/21/04 04:46 PM Re: ambulances use in terror-Get a grip people!
bountyhunter Offline


Registered: 11/14/03
Posts: 1224
Loc: Milwaukee, WI USA
BelgainPup

Infidels that work for money are something they can use, not respect. The information they bring back can be checked by using multiple infidel investigators to compare notes, and killing infidels is something they have no qualms about.

Survivalgene said it best when she said if you fixiate on certain people, you will miss the action that causes the problem.

Why are you so fixiated on "Middle Eastern" appearing people when more killings of our own people per year are done by our own people than the loss of life on 9/11. Being murdered by your next door neightbor can't possibly be any better than being murdered by a terrorist.

Are you per chance a Government spinmeister working to justify the excesses of the TSA and the Patriot Act? Had one of those on another chat site just before the Iraq invasion who called himself "Paper Tiger". He wrote so well that he didn't appear to be suffering the hormones of youth, a condition that would have explained the venom thrown toward the Irag government.

Bountyhunter <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />


Edited by bountyhunter (08/21/04 04:49 PM)

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#30543 - 08/22/04 03:23 AM Re: ambulances use in terror-Get a grip people!
norad45 Offline
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Registered: 07/01/04
Posts: 1506
I think that there needs to be a line drawn between Middle-eastern men who are actually from the middle-east (i.e.: carrying a middle-eastern passport) and Americans of Arab descent. The latter should be treated no better or worse than white anglo-saxons from Alabama to Wyoming. If these men pose a greater risk then so be it-they are United States citizens and are guaranteed all the protections of the U.S. Constitution. But a foreign national from the Middle-east should be--and will be--scrutinized much more closely than the elderly grandma from Schenectedy. If that's seen as racist then so be it.

Regards, Vince

P.S.: A TSA question: should American citizens be allowed to carry guns or knives on flights originating in the United States? (That should get the juices flowing!)

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#30544 - 08/22/04 04:12 AM Re: ambulances use in terror-Get a grip people!
aardwolfe Offline
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Registered: 08/22/01
Posts: 923
Loc: St. John's, Newfoundland
One problem with that is, how does the average person know whether a "Middle Eastern-looking person" is born in Syria or Schenectady? The three medical students who were arrested and detained for 17 hours after allegedly joking about 9/11 and discussing plans to carry out a terrorist attack were all US citizens - 2 naturalised, 1 born in the USA. Annie Jacobsen had no way of knowing whether the "terrorists" she still thinks she encountered on a flight to LA were foreign-born or US citizens.

The problem with eroding civil rights to combat terrorism is that terrorism is a response to the erosion of civil rights. As long as people feel that they have a legitimate way to make their grievances heard, they generally don't resort to terrorism. Terrorists generally are people who feel they are powerless to change the status quo in any other way.
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#30545 - 08/22/04 04:28 AM Re: ambulances use in terror-Get a grip people!
norad45 Offline
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Registered: 07/01/04
Posts: 1506
"One problem with that is, how does the average person know whether a "Middle Eastern-looking person" is born in Syria or Schenectady?"
I think that the possession of a U.S. passport entitles one to the full protection of the Bill of Rights. I realize this may make some of our good neighbors to the north or the south uncomfortable. I squirm over the fact that our Canadien, Mexican, British, and Italian allies might be delayed or detained through no fault of their own. But, with the exception of the Israelis and possibly the British, no other country in the world is the target that we are. I am also under no illusions that the possession of a U.S. passport automatically guarantees that person's innocence and/or good intentions. I just think that is a logical place to BEGIN the search.
Regards, Vince
P.S.: Doesn't anyone have an opinion on how the TSA should be conducting business?

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