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#301652 - 05/19/23 02:43 PM Packing My Bags
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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I previously mentioned my plan to move to Israel when it becomes a more favorable place than America. I have connections to make it happen, and we're eager to stay where we are for as long as possible since we have all our belongings here.

I need advice on packing for our air travel. I plan to bring my EDC bag, medical supplies, and a large suitcase with essential items such as identification documents, money, digital documents and photos, clothes, hygiene products, prescriptions, supplements, food and drinks, flashlights, survival gear, and anything else necessary for the trip.

I'm also considering bringing sentimental items that are not essential or digitized, such as my high school diploma, three books, and a small vial of mineral oil. However, I'm confident that these items won't add too much weight or take up too much space. Do you think it's too much to bring?

Jeanette Isabelle
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#301654 - 05/20/23 03:36 AM Re: Packing My Bags [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
dougwalkabout Offline
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What you choose to do is, quite rightly, your own business.

I personally would be dis-inclined to move from a continent with near infinite land resources to a place with hostile neighbours and limited water.

Not dissing the place in question, you understand; just wondering if there are places on the N.American continent that might suit your needs in a more practical way.

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#301655 - 05/20/23 06:06 AM Re: Packing My Bags [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
Bingley Offline
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Having moved by air a few times before, I am guessing you probably won't have room for much of your gear. This is something you can find out just by packing. I'd probably just ship the gear or reacquire it over there.

Also, if you're traveling internationally, find out how much cash you can take out or take into a country.

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#301656 - 05/20/23 01:38 PM Re: Packing My Bags [Re: dougwalkabout]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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Originally Posted By: dougwalkabout
I personally would be dis-inclined to move from a continent with near infinite land resources to a place with hostile neighbours and limited water.

Not dissing the place in question, you understand; just wondering if there are places on the N.American continent that might suit your needs in a more practical way.

As mentioned earlier, this plan is for when Israel becomes a preferable location to North America. The reason I chose Israel is because I have connections there. However, I would prefer to stay where we currently are for as long as possible, as all of our supplies are here.

Jeanette Isabelle
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I'm not sure whose twisted idea it was to put hundreds of adolescents in underfunded schools run by people whose dreams were crushed years ago, but I admire the sadism. -- Wednesday Adams, Wednesday

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#301657 - 05/20/23 01:50 PM Re: Packing My Bags [Re: Bingley]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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Originally Posted By: Bingley
Having moved by air a few times before, I am guessing you probably won't have room for much of your gear.

Yes, your assumption is correct. That is the reason why I asked that question.

Originally Posted By: Bingley
This is something you can find out just by packing.

I believe that the items I pack are dependent on the supplies that I currently have. For example, if I have run out of toothpaste but still have toothbrushes, and the only supplement left is Vitamin B12, my circumstances have already determined my packing choices.

Jeanette Isabelle
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I'm not sure whose twisted idea it was to put hundreds of adolescents in underfunded schools run by people whose dreams were crushed years ago, but I admire the sadism. -- Wednesday Adams, Wednesday

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#301660 - 05/21/23 09:30 PM Re: Packing My Bags [Re: dougwalkabout]
Acropolis50 Offline
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Doug walk about: In reply to your response to Jeanette-Isabelle’s post on what she should carry on for her ( somewhat fanciful) theorized emigration flight to Israel, I note the common sense of your comments. Big and well resourced vs. small, water challenged and surrounded by hostile forces is a fair, SURFACE reading, of JI’s thoughts.

But , as a Jew , I understand her unspoken fear and “longing”. Jews in the USA are used to dealing with jibes about “ secret cartels of Jewish bankers”, “ cheap Jews” , “ Christ Killers” etc. from the usual fringe groups. Because, those bigots aside, Jews, since they first emigrated in the 19th-20th Centurys bought into the American Dream, lock stock and barrel !

Poor, dirty, uneducated, East European Jews , who emigrated to the US in the late 19th- early 20th century, helped to a very limited extent by earlier immigrating , successful self made German Jewish philanthropists, stuck together, engaged in community self-help, established Jewish aid and education societies, even multi family communal farms, Jewish loan agencies, Established hospitals , schools, & graduate schools ( since they were often barred or discriminated against by the non-Jewish majorities) funded by families who had a little extra to lend at low rates,, gobbled - up all the education they could get, worked collectively, for obscene amounts of hours, in little businesses, staffed by family and built bigger businesses, had their parents drill into their heads to walk the straight and narrow, get good marks, go to college, get a licensed profession ( like Doctor, pharmiscist, engineer, etc. ) , because if you had to run away again, that knowledge was portable. Add to that, a very strong and central religious commandment to do “ tzedakah’ , the giving of a tenth part, a/k/a, “justice”. ( there being no word in Hebrew for” Charity”) and an accompanying requirement to participate in “Tikkun Olam’, a/k/a “ repair the world, that is make it a better world, the “Jews” as a people , generally did well in an America prime for strong backs , hard work, entrepreneurship, and economic expansion!

But no Jew ever lived, except perhaps in Israel, who didn’t keep one eye and ear open for rise of anti-semitism and a new Holocaust. After all , who expected it in 1920s-1930s Germany, which was the first European country to offer Jews full citizenship , the right to own land and go to Universities? But 10-15 years later, 4+ million murdered in the camps and an additional 2+ million by the Eisenstaedt movile killing teams. But for European , British and North American guilt in standing by and not stopping the mass slaughter of Europe’s Jews,, even when they knew and could have bombed the camps’ killing “showers”, fences and railheads leading to the camps, but for that , there would never would been a UN vote on the creation of a Jewish Homeland, i.e. Israel.

So someone like me, and probably JI, native born, patriotic , red-blooded, proud Americans, with no desire to be anything but good American citizens, keep our one eye and one ear alert for the rise of Facism and anti-semitism in America, especially if it starts to get normalized by a major American political party who tells us “ There were good people on both sides “ in Charlottesville, Parties that nurture candidates with strong racist- anti semetic backgrounds & orations.

If your “RUN”. Button gets pushed often enough ,you yearn for a place where you are a majority ,not a despised miniority, even if it’s arguably not as well equipped with resources and is surrounded by openly hostile neighbors. WORST CASE I’d rather die fighting back to back with my family and friends than get dragged out of my hiding place, like Anne Frank’s family, to be taken to an extermination camp.

And if, gentle reader, that sounds like paranoia to you, I have two responses. Study history and remember, even paranoids have enemies!


Edited by Acropolis50 (05/21/23 09:40 PM)

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#301661 - 05/21/23 11:43 PM Re: Packing My Bags [Re: Acropolis50]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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Loc: Nacogdoches, Texas
Originally Posted By: Acropolis50
In reply to your response to Jeanette-Isabelle’s post on what she should carry on for her ( somewhat fanciful) theorized emigration flight to Israel, I note the common sense of your comments. Big and well resourced vs. small, water challenged and surrounded by hostile forces is a fair, SURFACE reading, of JI’s thoughts.

Although I said I had connections, I was worried that my plans might still seem unrealistic.

Jeanette Isabelle
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I'm not sure whose twisted idea it was to put hundreds of adolescents in underfunded schools run by people whose dreams were crushed years ago, but I admire the sadism. -- Wednesday Adams, Wednesday

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#301662 - 05/21/23 11:44 PM Re: Packing My Bags [Re: Acropolis50]
dougwalkabout Offline
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Loc: Alberta, Canada
Originally Posted By: Acropolis50
Doug walk about: In reply to your response to Jeanette-Isabelle’s post on what she should carry on for her ( somewhat fanciful) theorized emigration flight to Israel, I note the common sense of your comments. Big and well resourced vs. small, water challenged and surrounded by hostile forces is a fair, SURFACE reading, of JI’s thoughts.

But , as a Jew , I understand her unspoken fear and “longing”.

Acropolis50, I ask for your tolerance; it seems I was perfectly clueless regarding this relevant factor.

I am fully aware of the historical horrors you mention, and understand the desire for a "last ditch" safe refuge.

I would note, respectfully, that the click bait of various media does not accurately reflect the thoughts of the reasonable majority who are your neighbours across the street. Engage with them and you may be pleasantly surprised. Click bait is about inflaming people (on all sides!) to generate money. It's pretty crass. My 2c.

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#301663 - 05/21/23 11:54 PM Re: Packing My Bags [Re: dougwalkabout]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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Registered: 11/13/06
Posts: 2954
Loc: Nacogdoches, Texas
Originally Posted By: dougwalkabout
I would note, respectfully, that the click bait of various media does not accurately reflect the thoughts of the reasonable majority who are your neighbours across the street. Engage with them and you may be pleasantly surprised. Click bait is about inflaming people (on all sides!) to generate money. It's pretty crass. My 2c.

I apologize if I'm not getting it, but I'm having a hard time seeing how clickbait is related to our conversation. Can you please explain it to me a little more so I can understand? Thanks for your kindness and patience!

Jeanette Isabelle
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I'm not sure whose twisted idea it was to put hundreds of adolescents in underfunded schools run by people whose dreams were crushed years ago, but I admire the sadism. -- Wednesday Adams, Wednesday

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#301664 - 05/22/23 12:45 AM Re: Packing My Bags [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
dougwalkabout Offline
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Registered: 02/03/07
Posts: 3219
Loc: Alberta, Canada
My only thought is that the perception of risk or threat is routinely magnified by social media and other media which all rely on shock/outrage/fear to generate clicks and views, thereby making money. This is the world we live in.

I think it's important to find other ways to gauge risk and threat, and the best way is to engage with other reasonable people. There are a surprising amount of reasonable people out there. Go figure!


Edited by dougwalkabout (05/22/23 12:52 AM)

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