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#296438 - 06/20/20 08:29 PM Re: 'Into the Wild' bus removed from Alaska trail [Re: AKSAR]
hikermor Offline
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Registered: 08/26/06
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Excellent query -At what point does trash, junk, and litter become a historic artifact? Actually there is a textbook answer -50 years for historical consideration and 100 years before we turn the archaeologists loose. Obviously, some events are historic well before those guidelines obtain - the twin towers of 9/11, for instance.

As one who has made a decent living and had many wonderful experiences dealing with the trash, junk, and litter, to say nothing of the garbage, of the past, I pay attention to how these potentially informative materials are handled....

i understand various alternatives are currently being considered with respect to the ultimate disposition of the bus. I don't have a dog in this particular fight, but I would only hope that due consideration is given to preservation of the bus and decent presentation of the story it embodies. There are lessons to be learned form that story.

What is it they say? "Those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them." or something like that...

The NPS doesn't have any kind of jurisdiction until a sitting president issues a proclamation establishing a National Monument or signs into law a bill, passed by Congress, creating a National Park or equivalent.

Alaska is a prime example of the process. During the Carter Administration, Congress stalled on passing a gargantuan bill creating numerous parks and preserves. Carter therefore proclaimed them as National monuments, forestalling destructive measures, until Congress got around to coming up with the legislation.
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#297114 - 09/25/20 03:16 AM Re: 'Into the Wild' bus removed from Alaska trail [Re: Teslinhiker]
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Registered: 08/31/11
Posts: 1198
Loc: Alaska
The famous/infamous "Into the Wild" bus has now returned to Fairbanks, where it will become an exhibit.
‘Into the Wild’ bus arrives in Fairbanks after one last trip north on the Parks Highway.

Depending on ones point of view, the bus was either a piece of junk littering the wilderness, a historical artifact, or a shrine to Christopher McCandless. As a practical matter, it was an attractant that had led to two deaths (in addition to McCandless), and far too many SAR incidents.
The bus served as a shelter for hunters and hikers for years, but more recently started attracting numerous travelers enamored with McCandless' story who ended up needing rescue themselves. Between 2009 and 2017, there were 15 bus-related search and rescue operations by the state, Alaska officials have said.

Note that while the bus has been moved, the Teklanika River is still in its former location. Anyone who wants to hike into the area and try their luck at crossing the river is still free to do so. They will now need to carry a tent to shelter in, however.
"Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas any more."
-Dorothy, in The Wizard of Oz

#297115 - 09/25/20 03:53 AM Re: 'Into the Wild' bus removed from Alaska trail [Re: Teslinhiker]
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Registered: 04/28/10
Posts: 2761
Loc: Big Sky Country
Nice! Those that want to see the magic bus can still do it and a chunk of pristine wilderness is free of a giant hunk of rusting man-made junk.
“I'd rather have questions that cannot be answered than answers that can't be questioned.” —Richard Feynman

#297119 - 09/25/20 03:18 PM Re: 'Into the Wild' bus removed from Alaska trail [Re: Teslinhiker]
dougwalkabout Offline
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Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 02/03/07
Posts: 2918
Loc: Alberta, Canada
It's in better condition than I expected.

#297153 - 09/30/20 01:56 PM Re: 'Into the Wild' bus removed from Alaska trail [Re: Teslinhiker]
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Registered: 11/09/06
Posts: 870
Loc: wellington, fl
Wilderness 2.0:
We put cable handrails on difficult terrain to permit passage by folks who lack the skills to make the climb. It means that more folks can enjoy nature. Too much traffic starts to degrade the setting, so we establish a permitting/metering systems to control overuse. Then we simulate the experience by manufacturing synthetic climbing walls, creating VR simulations, and bring access to the wilderness into urban settings...which stimulates new folks to experience the real thing...
Dance like you have never been hurt, work like no one is watching,love like you don't need the money.

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