#29412 - 07/24/04 05:17 PM
The Tour de France
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Armstrong will earn his 66th yellow jersey Sunday and, on this Tour, overtook five-time champion Miguel Indurain of Spain, who won 60, for third place in the standings. Merckx won 96, Hinault 78.
Armstrong's single-minded focus on the Tour, his attention to detail, his use of new technologies to save seconds and his ability to recruit, keep and motivate teammates have raised the bar for how to win the three-week cycling marathon.
"It's an improvement in the method of approaching the Tour de France -- more professional, more rigorous, more methodical," race director Jean-Marie Leblanc said. "In a word, more American."
What an outstanding comment to hear from a Frenchman/woman when America bashing is so prevelant in the world.
When politics are set aside, it is the measure of the man/woman that counts, whether winning a race or recognizing an outstanding effort. Cheers!
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#29414 - 07/25/04 01:52 AM
Re: The Tour de France
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Registered: 11/14/03
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What is often missed by so many angry Americans is; if there had been no France on our side during the revolutionary war, there would be no "United States of America" today!
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#29415 - 07/25/04 04:31 AM
Re: The Tour de France
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Bountyhunter--
You are without question correct: The USA would not exist were it not for the friendship of France when we desperately needed it.
However, at the risk of being branded jingoistic, that debt was both acknowledged, then repaid in full, when Pershing announced, "Lafayette, we are here!" And then again, twenty-some-odd years later.
David
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#29416 - 07/25/04 05:40 PM
Re: The Tour de France
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David:
Now we come to the "Chicken and the egg" theory.
If France had not helped us succeed, they might have spent their resources to become the dominant super power in the world. Yes, we would still be a British colony, but would never have succeeded in the way we did as a free nation. France may have ended up the dominant power in Europe, and the nazis might never have attained the power to allow a hitler to come to pass.
Yes, I agree we helped defeat the nazis and free France, but as the "Chicken and the egg" argument goes, you can continue this discussion until some one finally finds the root number of "pi", and even then it would never end.
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#29417 - 07/25/04 07:12 PM
Re: The Tour de France
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Sounded like David agreed with you BH. Then stated that we had repaid France, two fold. No chicken or egg theory implied.
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#29418 - 07/25/04 09:40 PM
Re: The Tour de France
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Debt paid in full, WITH INTEREST, let's get on with the present. For all the Patton admirers out there, "Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way." It's time to start putting the rabid dogs down.
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#29420 - 07/27/04 03:24 AM
Re: The Tour de France (history)
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Bountyhunter?
Historian A.J.P Taylor summed it up best:
?Historians can sometimes explain, or at any rate discuss, the immediate causes of some great event. Beyond that, they can do little more than arrive at the platitude that every generation is, to some extent, responsible for what happens afterwards. In this way, we can finally reach the preposterous conclusion that the ancient Romans were responsible for the First World War, when they failed to civilize the Germans. This is sometimes called learning from history.?
I?ll take the chicken fried, and the eggs scrambled, please. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
David
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#29421 - 07/27/04 05:31 PM
Re: The Tour de France (history)
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Registered: 11/14/03
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Loc: Milwaukee, WI USA
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My pharmacist tells me most of the early major pharmacutical discoveries were made by Germans, and that he had to learn many of the formulas in German before becoming licensed.
Advanced rocketry was a result of German engineers, many of whom were captured by the Allies during WWII and were shielded by their captors from paying the price for what we considered "War Crimes".
If the Romans had "civilized" the Germans, the spark and sometimes madness that drives progress would probably have resulted in fewer miracle drugs, slower airplanes, and less efficient ways to deliver death from above.
Now, what came first, the chicken or the egg? <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Bountyhunter <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
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