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#293832 - 10/13/19 04:01 PM Re: Recon Medical Tourniquets [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
Russ Offline
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“Penny Wise, Pound Foolish” comes to mind.
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Okay, what’s your point??

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#293833 - 10/13/19 04:34 PM Re: Recon Medical Tourniquets [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
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#293834 - 10/13/19 05:18 PM Re: Recon Medical Tourniquets [Re: DaveL]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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Thank you. The administration needs to add that to "ETS Acronyms," which is a locked thread.

http://forums.equipped.org/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=182658#Post182658

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#293835 - 10/13/19 06:36 PM Re: Recon Medical Tourniquets [Re: hikermor]
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Well, its a tourniquet, not a defibrillator. This is not improved technology on display, but aggressive marketing. Black dyed tactical toilet tissue is not more functional than Charmin.


We used tourniquets professionally, occasionally to be sure, in the ER. Usually used a blood pressure cuff, but occasionally improvised with fabric and a big kelly clamp, if the blood pressure cuffs leaked and lost pressure. We used a cuff because applying less pressure over a wider area of the artery was less likely to traumatize the vessel. But there is no magic involved: a loop of 550 cord, a piece of webbing, tightly wrapped coban, ace bandage or duct tape can all be or direct digital pressure can be perfectly effective in slowing or stopping arterial bleeds.
Tourniquets buy some time to definitively treat the wound by ligating the artery and cleaning and dressing the defect. While the tourniquet is in place, all of the tissue that is perfused by the arteries involved is dying. Better to lose a limb than a life, but one has to have a plan for care of the patient after the tourniquet is applied.

Anyway, lots of money is made in the marketing of tacticool equipment. Not all of the items sold perform their function better than traditional methods: be a wise shopper.
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#293836 - 10/13/19 07:22 PM Re: Recon Medical Tourniquets [Re: nursemike]
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Nursemike, your comments are most enlightening.

My experience has been that the most generally useful item in my FAK has been a 3" or 4" Ace bandage - good for splinting, direct pressure, and all sorts of applications. This has been in non-urban situations where access to an ER was sketchy, to say the least. Although I routinely carried and used a BP cuff on SAR missions, I never had to use one as a TQ. Direct pressure almost always sufficed.

our typical victim had incurred massive trauma, usually from a fall or slip. Gunshot wounds were far less common, and I imagine a TQ would be more generally useful in that situation.

Our plan was to convey the victim to the ER ASAP, where definitive care and expertise awaited. Rapid helicopter transport saved a lot of lives. Only so much you can do in a field situation.
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#293837 - 10/13/19 07:28 PM Re: Recon Medical Tourniquets [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
chaosmagnet Offline
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We tested a number of counterfeit tourniquets to destruction, along with real CATs and others.

I wouldn't buy these.

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#293838 - 10/13/19 08:39 PM Re: Recon Medical Tourniquets [Re: chaosmagnet]
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"Black dyed tactical toilet tissue is not more functional than Charmin."

What if they were in camo?
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#293840 - 10/13/19 09:29 PM Re: Recon Medical Tourniquets [Re: hikermor]
nursemike Offline
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Originally Posted By: hikermor
"Black dyed tactical toilet tissue is not more functional than Charmin."

What if they were in camo?


I have not evaluated camo TP, and therefore have no opinion.
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#293841 - 10/13/19 09:34 PM Re: Recon Medical Tourniquets [Re: nursemike]
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Obviously a daunting task, since they would be hard to see
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#293842 - 10/13/19 09:44 PM Re: Recon Medical Tourniquets [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
nursemike Offline
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Concur, Hikermor.

If I were to chose a single product to oversupply for teotwawkistan scenarios, it would be an assortment of 3,4 and 6 inch ace wraps. A generous combination of kerlix and ace can control bleeding or immobilize a limb, and look darn good doing it. Safety pins, too cuz I don't trust velcro or those pokey little ace clips to secure elastic bandages, tho coban does a nice job.
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