Equipped To Survive Equipped To Survive® Presents
The Survival Forum
Where do you want to go on ETS?

Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
#291879 - 03/10/19 01:04 PM Can't use it if you don't have it
Craig_Thompson Offline
Newbie

Registered: 02/10/10
Posts: 42
Loc: SE PA United States
Not a tale of epic survival. Just a minor event in which I failed (half way) to prepare.

Yesterday was the first not too cold not raining Saturday in a long while. Mrs. T and I went for a walk in an arboretum near home. A very pleasant outdoor environment in a seemingly endless suburbia.

I wore my 15 year old high quality hiking boots. In their early days they faithfully took me through numerous Boy Scout hikes and high adventures with my two sons, including 150ish miles in Camp Philmont, the BS jewel in NE New Mexico.

When we were about halfway through the intended hike (farthest from the car) the right sole suddenly came almost entirely off. Only a small portion at the toe remained attached. No problem, I will simply pull out the duck tape that I keep in my back pants pocket and....wait....where is my duck tape!!! I left it in my other pants at home!!! Grrrrrr

Alternate plan, tie it on with paracord. That was still in my vest, as always. That worked sufficiently well to get me to the car.

Somehow I simply cannot remember to check every pocket when I change clothes. All the thinking and preparing that I try to do and when I needed an item it was not there.

Maybe a 2 is 1, 1 is none situation?

Top
#291880 - 03/10/19 02:18 PM Re: Can't use it if you don't have it [Re: Craig_Thompson]
Herman30 Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 08/08/06
Posts: 267
Loc: Finland
Mr Thompson, maybe you need a small shoulder bag? No need to shift stuff from pocket to pocket, just grab the bag.

Top
#291881 - 03/10/19 02:22 PM Re: Can't use it if you don't have it [Re: Craig_Thompson]
chaosmagnet Online   content
Sheriff
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 12/03/09
Posts: 3074
Loc: USA
Good job working the problem.

And the timely reminder that I need to replace my boots is welcome.

Top
#291882 - 03/10/19 02:31 PM Re: Can't use it if you don't have it [Re: Craig_Thompson]
Craig_Thompson Offline
Newbie

Registered: 02/10/10
Posts: 42
Loc: SE PA United States
I wear a multi-pocket vest. That is where the paracord is carried. For some reason I never put duck tape there. From now on there will be.

Top
#291883 - 03/10/19 02:49 PM Re: Can't use it if you don't have it [Re: Craig_Thompson]
Jeanette_Isabelle Online   content
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 11/13/06
Posts: 2002
Loc: Somewhere in Florida
As I've said many times, experience is the best teacher. I second the EDC bag, something I always carry; I recognize that is not for everybody.

Until experience proves me wrong, my EDC bag is at the right balance between too much and too little.

My weekender bag, the next level up, is still being beta tested.

Jeanette Isabelle
_________________________
"Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble." -- Frederick Henry Royce

Top
#291884 - 03/10/19 04:13 PM Re: Can't use it if you don't have it [Re: Craig_Thompson]
haertig Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 03/13/05
Posts: 2067
Loc: Colorado
Wow, a seemingly simple thing like that could ruin your day. As I think about it, I would not have anything on my person to fix something like that. I guess I'd have to take out the shoelace and make that into an improvised sole binding/shoelace for the walk back home.

I'm surprised that a sole would be glued (rather than stitched) on to a hiking boot (assuming yours were glued - I can't imagine a stitched sole just falling off). I remember way back when as I bought a pair of hiking boots for backpacking, the salesman was telling me all about the "Norwegian welt" that held the sole on and how robust that was. But that was back in the day when a "hiking boot" was more like what we might call a "mountaineering boot" today. Those old Vasque (or was it Raichle?) brand leather boots were super tough, super thick, and super heavy. I remember having to do a significant amount of break-in to get the boots ready for the trail. Modern hiking boots are probably a lot lighter and higher tech. I haven't bought a new pair in decades. I guess I should go look into some. But I'll have to remember to carry some duct tape or paracord for emergencies. Thanks for the heads up ... I never would have thought of this problem.

Top
#291885 - 03/10/19 04:31 PM Re: Can't use it if you don't have it [Re: Craig_Thompson]
Russ Offline
Geezer

Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 5063
Loc: SOCAL
You felt nothing irregular prior to failure? Iíve never had a catastrophic failure with boots, always a gradual warning of doom ó graceful degradation.

Vests are great. Lots of pockets ó enough that a regular inventory is necessary. Iíve had some items seemingly lost that turn up in my vest pocket with a change in weather.

Top
#291886 - 03/10/19 06:28 PM Re: Can't use it if you don't have it [Re: haertig]
hikermor Online   content
Geezer in Chief
Geezer

Registered: 08/26/06
Posts: 6788
Loc: southern Cal
Since those bygone days, which I remember well, "hiking" boots have grown lighter, and much easier to break in (often you can go right from the store to the trail), concurrent with the shift from stitched to glued soles. Glued soles seem to be about as reliable as stitched - I have experienced stitched soles separating, even with those famed Norwegian welts.

Today's hikers generally wear out as a unit - when the sole is shot, so is the rest of the shoe, and it is time for a new pair.

A small roll of duct tape is a good thing to carry in your essentials bag. I used some recently to repair a companion's shoe whose sole had separated. Good for lots of other sticky situations.
_________________________
Geezer in Chief

Top
#291887 - 03/10/19 08:01 PM Re: Can't use it if you don't have it [Re: hikermor]
Craig_Thompson Offline
Newbie

Registered: 02/10/10
Posts: 42
Loc: SE PA United States
The sole seemed like it was cracked and crumbling. I do not wear these shoes often. They probably have a lot fewer miles on them than many of you folk would put on them. I did not feel the damage before this last use but surely it was happening. I would have thought it would take longer than 15 years to degrade the sole material.

To carry the duck tape I pull about 3-4 feet off a roll then re-roll it into a 5 inch long flat. Fits into the back pants pocket nicely, almost unnoticed.

Top
#291888 - 03/10/19 08:38 PM Re: Can't use it if you don't have it [Re: Craig_Thompson]
Hanscom Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 11/23/05
Posts: 80
I had the same thing happen with a pair of Nikes some time back.

On someone's recommendation I had a couple of feet of duct tape tucked in a vest pocket. I carry it wrapped around an old credit card. Makes a pretty flat package and stiff enough to peel easily.

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >



Moderator:  Alan_Romania, Blast, cliff, Hikin_Jim 
May
Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30 31
Who's Online
3 registered (brandtb, NAro, KenK), 261 Guests and 6 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
salomoncrosk, Claire, JHurley, Highwayman, Janysboy
5280 Registered Users
Newest Posts
The Trail of the Sandhill Stag
by brandtb
Rehydration packets/powder Ultima
by clearwater
07:22 PM
Two children missing on Burke Mountain found
by hikermor
05/21/19 01:23 PM
Equipped to Provide First Aid
by chaosmagnet
05/20/19 03:06 PM
Customizing Your Medical Kit
by Phaedrus
05/19/19 12:56 AM
What can you expect from NGO's like the Red Cross
by Montanero
05/18/19 01:00 PM
Grabbing Your Bag When Running Off Burning Plane?
by Mark_R
05/17/19 07:59 PM
The urban '10 essentials'
by Mark_R
05/17/19 06:52 PM
Newest Images
Tiny knife / wrench
Handmade knives
2"x2" Glass Signal Mirror, Retroreflective Mesh
Trade School Tool Kit
My Pocket Kit
Glossary
Test

WARNING & DISCLAIMER: SELECT AND USE OUTDOORS AND SURVIVAL EQUIPMENT, SUPPLIES AND TECHNIQUES AT YOUR OWN RISK. Information posted on this forum is not reviewed for accuracy and may not be reliable, use at your own risk. Please review the full WARNING & DISCLAIMER about information on this site.