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#291165 - 11/20/18 05:18 AM Re: Primative Firemaking [Re: Ors]
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hikermor...you mean something like a Tesla lighter? Small plasma charge, and now I see on Kickstarter they have one with a long adjustable neck...
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#291166 - 11/20/18 05:36 AM Re: Primative Firemaking [Re: Ors]
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In Finland there is a company that sell electric lighters.

https://kaarilighters.com/en/frontpage/

I have the "Loimu".

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#291167 - 11/20/18 05:50 AM Re: Primative Firemaking [Re: Herman30]
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It works well for getting tinder going? Reliable?
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#291172 - 11/20/18 02:38 PM Re: Primative Firemaking [Re: Ors]
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https://www.rei.com/product/129302/ultimate-survival-technologies-tekfire-lighter

This looks like about the same thing. No experience with it, but a spark is a spark,so I imagine light tinder and some care is needed. But with a solar panel/power bank you can transfer electrons from phone to headlamp to lighter as circumstances dictate -nice!
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#291182 - 11/21/18 12:26 PM Re: Primative Firemaking [Re: hikermor]
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I think I’ll be adding something like this to my kit.

I got a laugh...in another one of this gentleman’s videos he said, “Hopefully any primitive fire I’m making is by choice, with a lighter in my pocket.”

Good point there!
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#291184 - 11/21/18 06:15 PM Re: Primative Firemaking [Re: Ors]
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I've been working on the bow drill for a little over a year now and I'm mostly terrible at it. I can get an ember in perfect conditions, using a pre-tested set, but I have yet to make my own set or get an ember outside in less than perfect conditions. It take a lot of practice.

Originally Posted By: dougwalkabout
I haven't managed fire with the bowdrill/firedrill yet, although I have managed blisters and cursing. It's on my bucket list.

But I have learned to make fire with old-school flint and steel using found tinder. (I'm not talking ferro rods, which are blowtorches in comparison).

Upon reflection, the takeaway for me was not the method of making spark, but the concentrated discipline of finding, preparing, and using natural tinder that can take a spark from anything.

Is that the most important part of the equation? I begin to think it might be. It requires you to be intensely aware of the environment you walk through, and to align yourself with it.


I believe you're right, Doug. Getting an ember is only the first step in primitive fire. Getting and sustaining a flame is the universal skill. Learning to turn those hard-earned primitive embers into flame is an excellent way to get really good at fire prep. It's heartbreaking when it doesn't work.
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#291194 - 11/23/18 03:09 AM Re: Primative Firemaking [Re: bacpacjac]
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Originally Posted By: bacpacjac
I've been working on the bow drill for a little over a year now and I'm mostly terrible at it. I can get an ember in perfect conditions, using a pre-tested set, but I have yet to make my own set or get an ember outside in less than perfect conditions. It take a lot of practice.

Hi,
have you been taking notes?

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#291199 - 11/25/18 05:20 AM Re: Primative Firemaking [Re: Ors]
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when I was in Kenya, many years ago, everyone in the Masai tribe could make fire by rubbing a stick between their hands. No bow. And I do mean everyone ... old ladies, teenagers, women, men. it is their daily system for making fires.

therefore, you too can be just as good. it is just practice. only that.

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#291200 - 11/25/18 07:01 PM Re: Primative Firemaking [Re: Pete]
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Remember that Kenya is centered at the equator and the Masai live mostly in Savanna. That means a DRY, HOT climate that never get very cold or wet. If you live in that type of climate, then yes. Just remember that primitive fire techniques were created and used in specific areas for specific reasons.
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#291217 - 11/29/18 05:54 AM Re: Primative Firemaking [Re: Ors]
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Bruce ... yes. arid and hot conditions where the Maasai live.

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