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#287482 - 12/23/17 09:43 PM Re: New bag thinking: BOB GHB realism [Re: Byrd_Huntr]
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I also would much rather melt snow than thaw a water bottle, but I routinely hard freeze recycled Gatorade bottles and nalgenes, taking care not to fill them to the brim, to use them as cooling agents in ice chests, with no ill effects. I should get in the habit of storing a few in my freezer to keep things cool during power outages.

One thing about Gatorade and similar beverages, the bottles often have a bunch of wrinkles and corrugations which would seem to be able to expand during the freezing process. You can't beat the replacement price if they should go bad for any reason.
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#287912 - 01/17/18 08:11 PM Re: New bag thinking: BOB GHB realism [Re: TeacherRO]
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...And never store cans or bottles in a car which will freeze.

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#287930 - 01/18/18 07:52 PM Re: New bag thinking: BOB GHB realism [Re: TeacherRO]
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and why not?i would rather have 10 cans of frozen pork and beans than none at all.

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#287933 - 01/18/18 10:51 PM Re: New bag thinking: BOB GHB realism [Re: CANOEDOGS]
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Dealing with solidly frozen canteens is simple. Leave them about ten percent below capacity....Frozen canned goods would depend upon their water content. If a can ruptures, handle with care and cook thoroughly.
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#287993 - 01/23/18 07:36 PM Re: New bag thinking: BOB GHB realism [Re: CANOEDOGS]
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Originally Posted By: CANOEDOGS
and why not?i would rather have 10 cans of frozen pork and beans than none at all.


Soda and beer tend to explode when frozen.

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#288327 - 03/06/18 10:41 PM Re: New bag thinking: BOB GHB realism [Re: TeacherRO]
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...and even if you are 20 and fit, you're not carrying an 88 liter bag any distance.

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#289200 - 06/05/18 12:30 AM Re: New bag thinking: BOB GHB realism [Re: TeacherRO]
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I find my kit changes quite a bit with weather and season; you don't need a sleeping bag rated to zero degrees on a hot Summer day in Detroit...

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#289761 - 07/04/18 11:33 PM Re: New bag thinking: BOB GHB realism [Re: TeacherRO]
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Like many of us I keep a GHB in my car, along with a change of clothes.
( though its more likely I'd just sleep at work.)

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#289766 - 07/05/18 04:26 PM Re: New bag thinking: BOB GHB realism [Re: Byrd_Huntr]
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Originally Posted By: Byrd_Huntr
Soft plastic, like one-use water bottles, don't crack but the frozen water inside is not immediately available to drink either. Quicker to melt snow in an emergency than wait for clear hard block ice to melt in the car. Hard plastic will split open and steel will split or warp if left in the vehicle overnight. I have several 18 oz Kleen Kanteens (which are always in a neoprene insulated sleeve) that I had to pound the bottom back in with a hammer so they would stand on end again. I have a small pot and an Esbit stove in the back just in case. In wintertime in this climate (-10 F and breezy this weekend) , staying warm and having suitable spare outerwear, footwear, hats, gloves, is more important than food or water for the short term.


My solution to this is a plastic coffee container similar to this -

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/2...-donuts-coffees

filled with 4-oz sealed foil water packs. My location - S.E. Pennsylvania - has rare Winter periods of extended below-freezing weather.

In the other three seasons I keep recycled 1-ltr soda bottles filled with water.

Edited to add - The coffee container is not in my GHB. It is separate in the trunk of the car, ready to be used or the foil packs transferred to the bag or put into a folded Dromedary bag.


Edited by brandtb (07/05/18 04:33 PM)
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#289767 - 07/05/18 04:40 PM Re: New bag thinking: BOB GHB realism [Re: TeacherRO]
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Originally Posted By: TeacherRO
I find my kit changes quite a bit with weather and season; you don't need a sleeping bag rated to zero degrees on a hot Summer day in Detroit...


Speaking of hot weather, I have several items with electronics (example - a red dot sight)that I believe would be damaged by extreme heat. I keep these items in a small thermos and in very hot weather only put then in the trunk when I leave home and take it out when I return.
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